Beiträge von moti_r

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Original von Yomat
I've seen some lose reports that VA panels can have text displaying problems if the foreground and background is set in a specific manner.

This is very interesting. I haven't heard such a thing.
Can you give me some links about that?

If this is indeed the case, then VA panels are out of the question. Most of my work is pure text (internet, office etc) - I am willing to sacrifise black levels, just to get perfect sharp text.

You know, another thing that I really find weird is that I can see S-IPS panels with 16ms, but they are ONLY 20" and above. No 19" that has less than 25ms. I wonder why is that...

Thanks a lot for the review!

Note that the PVA monitors won. Not surprising, given the fact that they were not testing motion blur and were interested in static display.

I must admit that I am leaning towards those VA panels more and more. I thought I would prefer S-IPS, but lately I've changed my mind. Now that we have these "magic boosters" tech, that claims for 8ms gray to gray, I hope maybe we would get less motion (even if this is only a marketing trick, I'm sure they are still better than the previous generation.

I just can't wait anymore. I need to get me a decent LCD.
My old shaking 17" CRT is hurting my eyes...

Thanks again for the info,
Moti

That's ok.
Feel better

Thanks for your time.

Moti

To make things even more complicated, ViewSonic has just announced new specifications for the VP191b...!

It is now 8ms panel (gray-to-gray) with 20ms typical...

http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/VP191b_DS_lo_1204.pdf

I have no idea when will this be available...

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Original von Yomat
Hmm.. just to make sure: Its only LCD1960NXi that is S-IPS. NX is TN I think. On the other hand the newer LCD1970NX without the 'i' is a S-IPS. Also LCD1980NXi is S-IPS.

Yep, you are completely right. The NX is TN and is not relevant since there are better TNs if you chose to go with it (and I wouldn't

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Original von Yomat
On the other hand. If you like how the VP191b looks like, the one you saw was probably a VA panel. Perhaps you should look into them instead. When it comes to VA the 920T is probably a quite good choice right now. Mayhaps the Eizo L768 also. I will read the review and see why they picked 920T and not L768. It could be the price difference.

Yep.
When I saw the VP191b it was clear that there is some smearing, but I didn't have a chance to really play a game or surf the web properly to see how much this annoys me. I usually don't play games (once in a while, and it's usually an adventure like Larry 8 or Syberia, no FPS) so I'm not sure how bad it is going to be.

Thanks for any info you can get!! <thumbs up icon>

It would be GREAT if you could give us the highlights.

Personally I would also be interested in the NEC Multisync LCD1960NX. It is S-IPS and got good reviews.

The LG I can get for a great price here in Israel, but I've read bad reviews about their reliability (changing panels??) and electronics.

I would go for the Samsung but I'm just a bit concerned about the refresh rate (VA...) + I liked the cream colors of the VP191b and I do not like harsh displays.

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Original von Yomat
Is that ISO?

No. AKAIK there is no ISO for screen refresh details. This is why manufacturers still hold to the B-W measurement.

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Original von Yomat
That would be much better and it will also never happen.

LOL :] :tongue:

I am really getting tired of this 19" LCD search.
I think I am going to push it faster.

I want to see the new Samsung 920T...

Yes, I see what you mean.
Strange, this is the first time I see gray-to-gray numbers.

But I still do not believe them. Not until we see real measurements from 3rd party reviewers. I'm sure we will learn something new about the specific measurement.

For example - there are all kinds of grays. As you probably know when you see a refresh graph of a monitor, it is a 2D graph. So providing only 1 measurement is just 1 point on this graph. This does not reveal the big picture...

I find this very hard to believe.

I actually never saw any monitor, not even TN or S-IPS that has 8 ms refresh time gray to gray. It always goes up, around 20ms or a bit less.

8ms is black to white.

As for the marketing people: once again, I find it hard to believe they will suddenly decide to use different scheme that might give them worse results. Unless there is a new uniform standard, they will keep specifying number as they want to.

Just me 0.02$ ...

Sorry, there is no chance it is S-IPS.
Just look at the contrast ratio... there is no S-IPS with such contrast ratio.

Why didn't you get the B ??
There is no difference between them, except for the panel!

Hi,

The P is not S-IPS, that's for sure. There is no S-IPS with 1:700 contrast ratio.

I am attaching a scan I made from the LG 2004 Display Device Catalogue. You can see that on the right there is the B, and they clearly say it is S-IPS. On the left there is the P and they don't say it is S-IPS.

Why not go for the B?

Moti

Hi,

AFAIK the + is a total different panel:
- Much better contrast (700:1 instead of 450:1 in the plain)
- A bit better brightness (300 instead of 250)
- A bit improved viewing angles

Note that both are TN panels. In some places I read that the + has 16.7M colors, which is weird since all TN panels usually have 16.2M (they use 6 bit + dithering).

Hi There,

I've just discovered this forum, great work guys!! A lot of information and top-professional replies!

I've been looking for a 19" LCD for a long time (actually, too long). The problem is that there are not too many places where I can see these monitors in action before buying, so it makes the buying process problematic since I have to heavily rely on online reviews.

Some comments:
- Most of my monitor usage is text/internet with some minor graphics applications.
- Almost no games, although I do play once in a while.
- Must use DVI
- I do not care about speakers
- I prefer Pivot, but this is not a deal breaker
- I do not want a glossy screen like the Sony HS94P or VS VP912b

With my current CRT I usually turn the brightness down and contrast mid-level. I do not like high brightness, and prefer "creamy" feeling which reduces my eyes strain. Therefore, I would probably opt for a standard 250cdm brightness and a contrast which is as high as I can get.

3 months ago I've seen the VP191b (the 25ms model) and really liked it. I liked the "soft" feeling the monitor has. Fine and gentle colors.

I only had 2 problems with the monitor:
1. The text wasn't crisp enough. I would like to have a razor sharp text (no cleartype for me
2. When I tried some test patterns, I could see some "waves" on the monitor. This is a bit hard for me to explain. The pattern was like a spider web. The monitor showed it nice, but there was some strange noise on the picture which kept moving around, as if the grid was moving in some parts. The connection was Analog. I do not know if this happens in DVI as well.

My question is: which monitor should I go for?
I was thinking about the new VP191b (the 16ms) - does it use the same panel type? Will it be as soft as the previous one?

Thanks a lot!
Moti