Samsung 213T or Samsung 240T....please help me choose ?

    HI


    I'm writing to you from Denmark - I hope it's OK for me to write in english - my german is not good enough :(


    I've been reading threads in this great forum for some time now - and think this forum is awesome - full of very usefull info and great reviews of TFT screens.


    I currently own the Dell 2000FP TFT 20,1' TFT@1600X1200 display and I'm very fond of this Dell display.
    I purchased the Dell TFT exactly 1 year ago to day and it was my first ever TFT display.
    Prior to this I owned the 22' NEC FP1375 CRT display - but got tired of the excess amount of heat the big CRT screen produced and wanted something smaller in size, that also looked great.


    Hence I bought the Dell 2000 FP - and I haven't regretted for 1 second - this proved to be one heck of a display and I'll never go back to CRT again.
    OK - the colorprecision of CRT is still greater than TFT, OK - the reponse time of TFT is not that great for action games, but besides that, I simply love TFT.
    I can sit infront of my Dell 2000FP for 6-8 hours with no eye-strain - this was not possible on my old NEC CRT display.
    The steady and firm picture on my TFT is great - CRT can't match this.


    The colors on my Dell 2000FP is vivid and pretty precise and the viewing angle is excellent.


    I now consider buying another TFT for a dual monitor setup in win xp pro.
    I've narrowed my choices down to either the Samsung 240T (24' WIDE) or Samsung 213T (21,3' TFT)


    The only problem with a dual monitor setup in win xp pro with two BIG sized TFT monitors - as I know of - is the video card.


    First of all it's not possible to run both of them in DVI - because my plan is to buy the Radeon 9800 pro card - and this only comes with 1 DVI and 1 VGA port.
    My Dell 2000FP runs in 1600X1200 nd the 213T also runs in 1600X1200, while the 240T runs in 1920X1200 DVI
    To get around this, I plan to buy the Radeon 9800 pro AGP- and connect either the Samsung 240T og the Samsung 213T (whichever I buy) and also buy an old Matrox G550 DVI PCI card - this way I can connect both TFT screens thorugh DVI and have no problems running both in 1600X1200 DVI (or one of them in 1920X1200 DVI the other in 1600X1200 DVI)


    Secondly the 240T is an old TFT display, but according to info from Samsung they have released 3 versions of the 240T. Actually I thought the 240T was being phased out, but it seems Samsung is mass producing the 240T in a third version version called "240T version L03".


    The L03 is capable of running in 1920X1200 through DVI and has improved brightness (300 cd/m2)



    Still the Samsung 213T looks better, produces lesser heat and uses less power than the 240T
    But 1920X1200 sounds great - I really would like to sit infront of a panel with a resolution like that.


    My plan is to use my old Dell 2000FP as the spare screen, only for showing digi photos and extra programs/internet surf and use either the Samsung 240T or the 213T as my main screen for photoshop, illustrator, big time netsurfing and other stuff.


    What would you recommend me to do ?


    And could you give me a precise description of the main advantages S-IPS panels have over the PVA panels that Samsung produces ?
    I know PVA from Samsung is a remake of the more ordinary MVA panels - but what is the strengt and weaknesses of the MVA and the S-IPS panels ?


    Thank you in advance :)


    Thank you for your time.......
    Dr. Ralph

    2 Mal editiert, zuletzt von Dr.Ralph ()

    Hello Dr. Ralph
    welcome on board!


    I think for intensive photoshop use cases the screen cannot be big enough. So for that purposes I would recommend to buy an Samung 240T. Also the Sony P232W 23" TFT screen is a good alternative to the Samsung model.
    Here you can find user expoerience stories about the Sony:


    Sony P232W


    MVA (Premium) and PVA panels have got their advantages in higher contrast rates and a big viewing angle with rather stable contarst and colour saturation. especially the higer contrs rates are able to see. So many uses told about a little dry and "washed" impression about S-IPS-Panels because of their lower contrast rates. The contrast values of S-IPS-Panel are lower than from MVAs, but they also have a big viewing angle. But lower contrast has got also an advantage: also in big viewing abgles the contrast is very more stable than of both panel technologies. The human eyes are very sensitive of recorgnizing changes. So S-IPS-Panel shows a little better colour saturation and contarst rates in big viewing angles. But the difference is not big but able to see.


    In general S-IPS panels are known to have a more wide colour spectrum and a true reproduction of colours. Also MVA can reproduction true colours, but S-IPS bettels can do better this job. That is the reason, why for example EIZO is just using thius panel type for their special photo monitor series CG18 and CG21, which garantuess especially stable and true colours. This is quite necessary fpr photo und priniting issues.


    The response time topic is leaded also by S-IPS, because its response times doesn't decrease for lower contrast changes as fast as from MVA Panels. MVA pansle offering just fastet response times for blck/white changes (maximum contrast).

    Hey, and thanks for replying - you brought some very usefull info to me.


    I did know that S-IPS panels has got the edge in in TFT technology, and that MVA panels were inferior to S-IPS panels in a lot of areas - but I did not know that reponse time of S-IPS panels were better compared to MVA panels.


    When I think about it, my Dell 2000FP, which is a 20,1' TFT S-IPS panel, does seem to have lower reponsetime than the official 25 ms.


    I'm in doubt - you say that IPS panels show color better, and practically only has one negative sie to them - compared to MVA - the lower contrast ratio and viewing angle.
    But my Dell 2000FP has 160 degrees horisontal and vertical - and the contrast ratio looks excellent to me.


    So maybe I should forget about Samsung 240T and Samsung 213T altogether, and buy myself another Dell 2000FP 20,1' TFT screen - and use these two identical TFT screens in a dual monitor setup ?


    What do you think - money is not a problem - because the price difference between Samsung 240T and Samsung 213 T is like 200€ and the price difference between Samsng 213T ans Dell 2000FP is approx. 200€ - so from the 240T to the Dell 2000FP there is a price gap of 400€ - pretty much - but not much when you come to think about how important it is to choose the right panel - you're stuck with it for years to come - so better spend 400€ more and get the best.


    What would you do:


    1. Chose the 240T L03 version and hook this up beside my 1 year old Dell 2000FP


    2. Chose the 213T and hook this up together with my Dell 2000FP


    3. Buy another Dell 2000FP and have two of them - side by side


    What is - in your opinion - the difference between MVA and the special Samsung made PVA panels ?


    Is PVA inferior to S-IPS panels in as many ways as MVA panels ?

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von Dr.Ralph ()

    Hello,


    The 240T is good, I´m enjoing it for about 7 months now.
    There are better screens for gaming (24" MVA is difficult), I can live with it, although I play games quite often (but ghosting is visable).
    Problem: You have to get it work at 1920x1200, an that´s quite a big problem.
    My second 240T (the first had a defect too) wasn´t able to manage this and was repaired, so I had luck.
    This screen as a single Link DVI Interface, so 1920x1200@60Hz isn´t possible (Sony has a DL interface I think); my GF4 Ti produced by Leadtek supports the tricky resolution of 1920x1200@52 Hz, a GeForce FX should also be able to manage this (I hope so, because I need a faster graphic card).
    But ATI is only able to send 1600x1200 to the SL interface I think (haven´t tested it myself), that could be a problem. The analog quality isn´t very good (black is only grey and so on), so that´s no option.
    Handbook guarantees 1920x1200 DVI only with a GF2 MX (all others: 1280x1024).


    You must decide, I´m content with my screen, but when I look back... I took about 6 months to get a good one, the quality control doesen´t seem to be so good (I´ve heard from other users having similair problems); but when you once got a good one, it makes fun :)


    Denis


    P.S. I searched for the Ver03 of the 240T and it seems to have still a SL Interface (but as I said, at least the Leadtek card is able to make 1920x1200 via DVI possible); I have the second version.

    Gruß


    Denis

    6 Mal editiert, zuletzt von Sailor Moon ()

    Dear Dr. Ralph,


    IPS-Panel have got also big viewing angles. If your grafic hardware can support a digital connection well as Sailor Moon replied, the Samsung 240T could be a good choice. If it should be an 21 inch TFT-screen please of also a look at the EIZO L985EX. Is has got a S-IPS-Panel and a monitor especially design vor good colour reproduction. In some weeks also the NEC 2180UX with 21" S-IPS-Panel should be on the market. This two screen I would prefer to the Samsung 21T because of better allround characteristics i would prefre S-IPS. If games and in general response times are not important, slaso the Samsung 213T can be a good choice.


    Panel: Premium-MVA and PVA arer quite similar. So S-IPS is leading in front of Premium-MVA and PVA. ;). Old stanard-MVA is little bit behind the others because of lower contarst rates and bigger response times.

    OK - thanks for the information.


    I've looked at the Eizo - but the price is much higher compared to both the samsung 240T, the 213T and the Dell 2000FP - and the responsetime for the Eizo L985 is too high - 50 ms.


    The new NEC 2180 you mention could be of interest to me - but can't seem to find any info about this new screen anywhere ont he net.
    Do you happen to have some info for me ?


    How big is the screen - 21,3 and is the resolution 1600X1200 ?
    How about the reponsetime for the new NEC 2180 - is it lower than 25 ms ?


    I don't like the design of the NEC TFT screens - to me it's both bulky and pretty ugly designed - compared to the other TFT's on the market.


    But maybe the new NEC is better designed ?
    When will it be availble in the shops in Europe and at what price ?


    How do you rate the quality of the Dell 2000FP display - it's a S-IPS panel - and has identical specs to the NEC 2080 SX display ?

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    Original von Dr.Ralph
    OK - thanks for the information.


    I've looked at the Eizo - but the price is much higher compared to both the samsung 240T, the 213T and the Dell 2000FP - and the responsetime for the Eizo L985 is too high - 50 ms.


    At the German EIZO homepage there is written 40ms..


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    The new NEC 2180 you mention could be of interest to me - but can't seem to find any info about this new screen anywhere ont he net.
    Do you happen to have some info for me ?


    How big is the screen - 21,3 and is the resolution 1600X1200 ?
    How about the reponsetime for the new NEC 2180 - is it lower than 25 ms ?


    The new NEC Multisync LCD 2180UX has got an S-IPS-Panel with 25ms response time.
    The screen has got a size of 21" (maybe 21,3"). I saw an engineering smaple at the CeBIT fair.


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    I don't like the design of the NEC TFT screens - to me it's both bulky and pretty ugly designed - compared to the other TFT's on the market.


    But maybe the new NEC is better designed ?


    The design is the same like the higend 80's series: 1880SX, 1980SX, 2080UX


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    When will it be availble in the shops in Europe and at what price ?


    I haven't got any information about that.


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    How do you rate the quality of the Dell 2000FP display - it's a S-IPS panel - and has identical specs to the NEC 2080 SX display ?


    I'm sorry, but I saw both screen too short to make any evalution or comparisation. I just do not like Dell's screen design.