Need advice: VS VP191b-2 ?

    Thanks a lot for the review!


    Note that the PVA monitors won. Not surprising, given the fact that they were not testing motion blur and were interested in static display.


    I must admit that I am leaning towards those VA panels more and more. I thought I would prefer S-IPS, but lately I've changed my mind. Now that we have these "magic boosters" tech, that claims for 8ms gray to gray, I hope maybe we would get less motion (even if this is only a marketing trick, I'm sure they are still better than the previous generation.


    I just can't wait anymore. I need to get me a decent LCD.
    My old shaking 17" CRT is hurting my eyes... 8o


    Thanks again for the info,
    Moti

    Rista:
    Read my opinions again please. The reason why the LG got so low score is because the test almost only cared about darkness levels. All monitors have flaws and the LG had a type of flaw that the testers cared very much about apparently. In another TomsHardware test perhaps the testers dont even see the dark scale problems and just care about motion speed. I find it totally stupid that they weighed darkness levels that heavily in the test. Text sharpness which the LG got good on they didnt merit at all.


    As for the colors ppl in here seem to like the 'trueness' of the IPS and not the gaudiness of the VA. Its all a matter of opinion though.


    I might add that in another test the LG got best buy verdict. That in another magazine in Sweden. Strangely enough it beat Lacie Photon19Vision. These guys liked the colors quite much. Even though they found the colors to be hard to calibrate correctly.


    moti_r:
    Lol. I'm leaning more and more toward IPS. The text sharpness verdict in the test was very important for me. I've seen some lose reports that VA panels can have text displaying problems if the foreground and background is set in a specific manner. For instance black text on grey background leaves a white shadow on some displays. I would not like that at all.
    Even so this new overdrive technology makes VA more interesting. The bad blackness levels on IPS could be a problem for me.. I dont know yet. VA panels would surely solve that. I wonder how the colorshift problem is on these overdrive panels. Ah well.. wait and see.. wait and see. This buying thing is terrible.

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    I've seen some lose reports that VA panels can have text displaying problems if the foreground and background is set in a specific manner.


    This is very interesting. I haven't heard such a thing.
    Can you give me some links about that?


    If this is indeed the case, then VA panels are out of the question. Most of my work is pure text (internet, office etc) - I am willing to sacrifise black levels, just to get perfect sharp text.


    You know, another thing that I really find weird is that I can see S-IPS panels with 16ms, but they are ONLY 20" and above. No 19" that has less than 25ms. I wonder why is that...

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    Originally posted by Yomat
    Rista:
    Read my opinions again please. The reason why the LG got so low score is because the test almost only cared about darkness levels. All monitors have flaws and the LG had a type of flaw that the testers cared very much about apparently. In another TomsHardware test perhaps the testers dont even see the dark scale problems and just care about motion speed. I find it totally stupid that they weighed darkness levels that heavily in the test. Text sharpness which the LG got good on they didnt merit at all.


    As for the colors ppl in here seem to like the 'trueness' of the IPS and not the gaudiness of the VA. Its all a matter of opinion though.


    I might add that in another test the LG got best buy verdict. That in another magazine in Sweden. Strangely enough it beat Lacie Photon19Vision. These guys liked the colors quite much. Even though they found the colors to be hard to calibrate correctly.


    The thing that holds me from canceling my order is that all computer magazines/web sites seem to have completely different opinions on things so I'm not going to give up because of one or two bad reviews. I remember when I read a test in some magazine where LG Flatron 915FT+ was ranked 1st, ahead of Sony G420, Samsung 959NF and alot other high quality CRT monitors. I bought it and it was really the best 19" CRT I've ever seen. Heck, it still is. The Flatron tube is great. Anyway, after a few weeks, another magazine tested 19" CRT monitors and here the 915FT+ didn't do that good. Then I found another test of 5-6 CRT monitors and my monitor was ranked LAST there. Funny thing is that I tried 3 monitors from that test and they are nowhere near as good as my LG. I guess it's just a matter of opinion and it depends of what you're looking for in a display.


    On a positive side, yesterday I found some pictures on some french forum and the 1930B seemed to have virtually perfect backlight uniformity. Someone also posted a video of playing some FPS and it seems to handle games pretty well too. The viewing angles also looked very good but it's hard to tell that from a video clip.

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    Originally posted by moti_r
    This is very interesting. I haven't heard such a thing.
    Can you give me some links about that?


    If this is indeed the case, then VA panels are out of the question. Most of my work is pure text (internet, office etc) - I am willing to sacrifise black levels, just to get perfect sharp text.


    You know, another thing that I really find weird is that I can see S-IPS panels with 16ms, but they are ONLY 20" and above. No 19" that has less than 25ms. I wonder why is that...


    No sorry. Havent found any hard evidence on the black on grey problem. Actually you should not be too alarmed because I got it from a thread in swedish where two people discussed the problem with the specific monitor Samsung 910T. It could be a problem that only occurs on that monitor or PVA. On the other hand the problem itself sounds like it could be a panel problem.


    Ah. The black levels. I was pondering if black levels would affect text sharpness. You would think that blacker text would be sharper.. but it might not be. Probably depends on other properties.. like how pixel-light bleeds over to neighbouring pixels etc.


    Those 20.1" panels are a newer manufacture by LG-Philips. I dont know if that is a factor but they have smaller pixel size than the usual 17" and 19" with a 1600x1200 resolution. Perhaps its easier to do faster displays with smaller pixels. In any case they cant use the same production line to make 'regular' 17" or 19" panels.


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    Originally posted by Rista
    On a positive side, yesterday I found some pictures on some french forum and the 1930B seemed to have virtually perfect backlight uniformity. Someone also posted a video of playing some FPS and it seems to handle games pretty well too. The viewing angles also looked very good but it's hard to tell that from a video clip.


    Hehe. Cewl! You wouldent have a link to that forum side? I wouldent understand any of the french but the pictures might be informative.


    And about your 915FT+: Its all a messy business when you cant see the stuff you are bying for yourself anymore. Dubious reviewers and manufacturers. Something that look bad might actually be very good. On the other hand the opposite might be true too. For instance I know that some manufacturers, not only monitor, do produce a good line of products in one batch and botch it in the next batch. I've had this personal experience with a Philips CRT monitor and a harddrive by Samsung. You also have the issue where reviewers get their review items directly from the companies, which of course could be a high quality handpicked item among a line with varied quality. Thus, if some product was good a year ago or you saw a good review you might get a total different thing even if you buy the exact same model.


    Usually you should be able to get around this quality problem by simply buying top of the line models from verified brands. However even that doesent seem to hold true anymore. Companies try to skimp even there sometimes.


    So what we are trying to achieve here is to make sure we get a good batch. Like you did with your 915FT+ and the guy in the french forum. However I have no way of making sure that one would. :) Which leads me back to square one.