New Philips 190P7ES and Overdrive ?

  • It has no noticable dithering at all.


    I cannot see any picture disturbance. I have no tools to proove this technically, but I've seen S1910 (10 on mark) and VP930 (5 on mark) and 190P7EG has 8 picture quality on 10 mark.


    It has one dead subpixel, but I can live with that.


    I think since personal feelings of colour quality and picture stability this panel is pure 8 bit.

  • isnt it a "Perfect Panel" - warranty for 0 dead pixel/subpixels ? has to be replased for dead subpixel ,or I am wrong ? By the way datasheet is updated with 16.7 colors ,no dithering I think
    (sorry for my poor English )

  • According to Philips brochure only 170B7, 170P7 and 190B7 have the "perfect panel" warranty.


    The 16,7M colors spec is no more indicative.
    The Samsung 970P (LTM190E4) is declared 16,7M colors and it use funny old dithering method.
    I seen it with my eyes.


    The AUO panel in the 190P7 probably use temporal dithering.
    You can found some evidences about it on the web.


    This is not a bad thing and it's fully understandable, because there are panels for office/generic use.

  • Zitat

    Originally posted by miomao
    According to Philips brochure only 170B7, 170P7 and 190B7 have the "perfect panel" warranty.


    What is "pixel error class 1" then ? Is this original ISO spec or some other ?

  • I think it's can be related to ISO 13406-2.
    "class I" means that panel must have 0 defective (sub)pixel.


    In the brochure the 190P7 is a class II.
    Only "perfect panel" models are class I.

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  • 8o


    Do you mean your monitor has both backlight uniformity problem and flickering problem?
    How do you have discovered the flickering?


    P.S.
    LCD panels with temporal dithering (FRC) can show some flickering... but this usually occurs with very specific images and color combinations.
    I think someone must have some sensibility problems to see flickering everywhere (and even CCFL lamps have a working frequency).

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  • Hello, some time ago I had decided to buy this Philips TFT 19” 190P7ES. On the basis of its specifications it seemed the perfect VA monitor for my needs (all round 19” TFT monitor, ergonomic…) and within my budget (< 400 €). But some reviews and comments in prad.de and Italian forums on some wake, ghosting... (for example: white halos over the heat of laracroft when she jumps...) that some people relate with a not very good implementation of the overdrive technology, makes me think if Belinea 101920 or Benq FP19GP would be better all round 19” TFT alternatives.
    I would also be interested in obtain the best uniformity possible with dark colors under low environmental light (attempts to avoid as much as possible backlight, mura...), within my budget of course. What do you advise me ?. Any suggestion about ?


    Do you know if Belinea is planning to substitute soon the more than one year old 101920 (ref 119191) by a new 19" VA model ?.


    Thank you! :D

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  • Philips 190P7 and Belinea 101920 use the same AUO panel.
    It's sound a bit strange one have ghosting problems and an other not.
    ?(


    You may also consider the new Samsung 971P.
    If you like the not very solid design...

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  • Zitat

    Originally posted by miomao
    Philips 190P7 and Belinea 101920 use the same AUO panel.
    It's sound a bit strange one have ghosting problems and an other not.
    ?(


    You may also consider the new Samsung 971P.
    If you like the not very solid design...


    On the basis some comments, implementation of overdrive is a critical factor in dynamic response... And not all manufactures achieve optimal results.


    See next videos of 190P7ES in plays (from prad.de and hwupgrade.it forums)




    (I’m just checked last one, and seems to me badongo site is not operative now, may be later...)


    In respect to the Samsung you point me, I ruled out it because I usually use Linux and other SOs not Windon$ and its control software lacks from official support for them...


    So remaining VA 19” TFT options in the market within my budget I think are: Belinea 101920, Benq FP91GP, viewsonic VP930 and Acer 1923.


    I would like to attempt to pick the one is lesser affected by uniformity problems, as backlight... Empirical comparative reports or reviews would help, but unfortunately don’t exist or at least I have not been able to find them. So perhaps would be help to get a “certain” comparative idea if some owners of these monitors reported if backlight (and other uniformity defects) is present in similar conditions; with black image, in darkness (or with weak desk light) and with different control regulations, at 75% , at 50%, and at 35% of brightness, with contrast at 75% for example.


    Thank you. :D

  • Hi, I think my final choice going to be restricted to two models; Belinea 101920 and Benq FP91GP. It seems to me both mount same P-MVA panel and show similar performances...


    I haven’t been able to find out which of them suffers less backlight and shows better color uniformity… So without this data, my favorite is Belinea due it has greater ergonomics than FP91GP.


    So I wonder why lately Belinea 101920 is almost always avoided in discussions on German prad.de forum when it is being talking about all round 19” TFT options with VA panel.
    Does anyone Know if there is any data or fact that makes Belinea not suitable or much less appealing than other sub-400€ all round VA monitors ?, besides aesthetic considerations that always are subjects to personal taste.


    Thank you. =)

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  • Belinea 101920 is a well tested monitor.
    Philips 190P7 seems to have lower dead-pixel percentage (for now).
    Personally I don't know about a new 19'' Belinea VA+overdrive.
    LCD panel manufacturers are concentrating on widescreen formats.

  • Zitat

    Originally posted by miomao
    Belinea 101920 is a well tested monitor.
    Philips 190P7 seems to have lower dead-pixel percentage (for now).
    Personally I don't know about a new 19'' Belinea VA+overdrive.
    LCD panel manufacturers are concentrating on widescreen formats.


    Thank you very much million-mao for your unselfish and valuable help.


    In my last post what I have wanted to mean is that I lately noted there is not much interest in current version of Belinea 101920 (ref 111919)… in 19" VA-TFT all round monitor discussions, and I don’t know why…


    On the basis of official specifications I thought that 190P7ES was the perfect all round 19” TFT under 400€. But from what is written in empiric reports, it seems to me that it has a worse behavior in plays… (dynamic scenes) than Belinea 101920 or Benq FP19GP. So due to it I ruled out the Philips in favor of later two models. What do you think about ?.


    Which of other two models(Belinea snd Benq) do you think suffers less from backlight defect ?. And which is best choice in your opinion ?.


    Thanks. :D

  • Sorry marklin, I don't have direct experience of these monitors.
    I can only says that Belinea 101920 is a best seller, but at present Philips 190P7 seems to be a better choice.


    If you can increase your budget... you can consider also Eizo S1931.
    I have had some Eizo in the past and they was all beautiful products.