Fujitsu, LG or Belinea?

    Hello prad.de!


    I’d like to know the specifications of the Fujitsu-Siemens S20-1W. I’ve been confused, because I have found many different specifications, in your site, by mistake I supose.


    So, is it a TN or a MVA panel?


    Could you also inform me about the LG L204WT monitor? Instead it is a TN panel, there has been a very big fuss with this monitor here in Greece. And LG has gone out of stock! Does it actually deserves such a big attention? Is it good enough? Can it be compared with the S120-1W?


    And finally, what do you think of Belinea 10 20 35W? Where are these monitors from? Is their quality ok? I’d like also to inform you that in Greece all of these monitors have the same price.


    Is there anything else I should know?


    My demands of my future monitor, include all the possible operations that a monitor could have. But mostly prefer to be fast enough!


    Thank you very much, in advance.

    Hi,


    The S20-1W is definitely MVA.
    As for the LG L204WT:
    yes, it is a TN panel, and
    no, the attention it is getting is not a successful achievement of the engineers but rather one of the marketing department. Its contrast ratio specs are sugarcoated and only refer to some kind of artificial dynamic contrast optimization.


    The Belinea 10 20 35W (manufacturer: maxdata) is a well proven monitor, just as the S20-1W is. Both are very similar in specs and panel (MVA).
    Reviews of both monitors are available in English here on PRAD.de
    review of the 102035W
    review of the S20-1W

    Thank you for your attention. Could you please also explain me something else? Since S20-1W is an MVA panel (as also the 102035), how on earth is it possible to be so called as an "ideal" monitor for gamers? It's writen in the "BUYER'S GUIDE: GAMER" inside prad.de! It is well known that MVA panels have the worst response time of all the panels. I'm considered about this Fujitsu monitor... And one more reason is the good value/money ratio (greek online shop - 298euros - no transportation fee). But actually, money, and differences between 50 to 100 euros, isnt my first concern, especially for a monitor, because i believe that monitors are the most valuable components in a pc. So my question is, should i look for an IPS monitor istead? Will the MVA S20-1W be good enough for gaming? I've also heard that it is an old monitor, tha tends to be "classic". Is it true?

    It is a P-MVA (P for Premium) panel, an advanced version of the MVA technology, manufactured by AU Optronics.
    This is combined with Overdrive technology, resulting in great responsiveness.


    Zitat

    It is well known that MVA panels have the worst response time of all the panels.


    Until 1.5 years ago, this statement was true. Since the introduction of Overdrive, however, things have changed quite radically.


    Zitat

    So my question is, should i look for an IPS monitor istead? Will the MVA S20-1W be good enough for gaming? I've also heard that it is an old monitor, tha tends to be "classic". Is it true?


    It may be kind of old (actually only a year or so) by today's standard life cycle of LCD monitors. However, if you want a quality (i.e. no TN) 20+ inch widescreen monitor for less than 400 Euros, there is basically nothing else to buy out there other than the five monitors listed below, which all combine the same AU Optronic panel "M201EW01" with Overdrive:


    FSC S20-1W
    Belinea 102035W
    ViewSonic VX2025wm
    ASUS PW201
    Acer AL2051Ws


    If you can find a deal on the NEC 20WGX² ( >500 Euros in Germany) then this might another option worth considering, since it is one of the (if not the) fastest widescreen monitor on the market. It uses an advanced type of S-IPS panel.

    Dear friend, thank you again for your answers. You've realy opened my eyes!


    However, I'd like to show you something I've noticed.
    [quote]It is a P-MVA (P for Premium) panel, an advanced version of the MVA technology, manufactured by AU Optronics. This is combined with Overdrive technology, resulting in great responsiveness.


    So, look what I've found for the S20-1W in the prad.de review:


    "The response times of the AUO-built P-MVA panel "M201EW01 V0" is declared 16 ms for black/white shifts and 8 ms for grey-to-grey shifts. What's quite astonishing in this, is the fact that the monitor does not make use of any kind of Overdrive technology. This has been explicitly confirmed to us by Fujitsu Siemens. Therefore, the AUO P-MVA panel is currently one of the fastest VA panels available on the market."


    You can chech this in the following address:


    Very confusing, dont you think? I'd be interested to hear your opinion.


    I this is real, ti does make the difference between S20-1W and the following monitors with AU Optronic panel "M201EW01" with Overdrive, you have mentioned me. (Belinea 102035W, ViewSonic VX2025wm, ASUS PW201, Acer AL2051Ws)


    I've also checked for the NEC 20WGX2, and the S-IPS panel seems to pay-off, but just in color reproduction, viewing angles, games, AND not in movies. The street price here in Greece exceeds 580 euros.


    I go for sure for the AUO panel "M201EW01". But the fujitsu "overdrive" statement confused me at all.

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    sorry, my fault. I forgot about this one.
    I now remember reading this when I translated the German review into English back then.
    It is indeed confusing how they are still able to reach these response times, though.

    So, lets say we admit that from that 5 monitors only S20-1W does not use ovedrive technology.


    Is that anyway a pros+ or a con- for the fujitsu monitor?


    Can we still call it a M-PVA panel, since "overdrive" substitutes by its self the term M-PVA?

    The S20-1W was measured to have a slightly lower contrast than the others. I can't really tell you much about the Acer and the Asus.
    I'd recommend the Belinea 102035W.
    Because, of the tree monitors reviewed on PRAD (s20-1w, vx2020wm, and 102035W)
    the Belinea is not only the least complained about, but it also provides better interpolation image quality. As to response time, they are all pretty much alike.


    good luck

    I recognize your big help, and have to admit that in these 4-5 short dialogs we had, I've obtained much more knowledge and information than in the greek forums for over 2 months. Based on your recommendations, I'll stick-around the following VX2025wm, 102035W and S20-1W.
    In case you are a future motorcycle buyer, or allready an owner, feel free to ask me anything. I'm a motorcycle journalist, and editor in the bigest motorcycle magazine in Greece. I'll give my best to help you.


    George
    Athens, Greece

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    you're welcome!
    Actually, I once drove a moped (yea, I know :P ) on the Greek island Korfu when I was 16 years old. Beautiful place. No more motorcycling today, though. But your offer is much appreciated =)

    well, there are a few reliable German and Austrian online shops that also ship to all countries of the European Union. However, the problem is that these shops are not in English, which would make the ordering process rather complicated. Particularly in case of any potential problems arising later on, things can quickly turn into a hassle. Also, most of the price advantage would probably be negated by the higher shipping costs.

    Hello Testuo!
    It's me again.
    Finally I purchased the Belinea 102035W monitor. It arrived from France in just 24 hours (amazing!).


    So, I'd like to make a couple of statements.


    Needs LOT of calibration, to gain good image quality.
    After this, the colours are magnificent.
    The black levels are just good.
    In a dark room, it's very easy to distinguish some backligh bleeding. But only on a completely black image.
    Overall I think it's a very good monitor.

    ....and a couple of questions.
    1) Unfortunatelly, it has 2 stuck (white pixels). The first can be seen only in a black+blue background, and the second can be seen only in black background. Are these stuck pixels? Are "stuck pixel repair programs" a myth, or they can bring back to life a stuck pixel?


    2) In some big and uniform images with same colorm I can clearly distinguish vertical stripes (like waves. The same happens with color gradients. I can see where the color changes. The color change is not homogeneous.
    Is it the monitor, or the grafic card? (I use a 4 years old AGP nVidia card (GeForxe2 MX/MX400) with RGB connection)


    Thank you for your patience.
    George

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