19" TFT with high refresh rates and good color

    I want to buy a new TFT and finally "see the whole picture" because up to now I am with a 15" TFT.


    I will be running Linux
    I am doing a lot of things but mostly two:


    1) A lot of reading, programming etc...(high refresh rates and 19" )


    2) Watch TV and movies on my PC monitor...(good colors so no S-IPS or TN+Film panel)



    --> I play NO games at all.


    So I was thinking for something like:
    Eizo S1910-K or Eizo L778-K or some Samsung model.


    Eizo S1910-K seems to be a damn good monitor !
    I will give at most 700euros for my monitor


    I am aware that there is an FS model P19 i think but i don't know much about them .. but even if it is good is it better than the above ? :)

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von small_boy22 ()

    LCD monitors don't need high refresh rates like CRT.
    With DVI connection you have a standard 60Hz refresh.


    The Eizo S1910 can be a very good choice for your purpose.
    Think to the more expensive L778 if you need decent integrated speakers, BrightRegulator or C-Booster.


    S-IPS monitors, unlike TN, have very good colors and viewing angle combined with soft ghosting.
    The true problem of this technology is in the black representation (not very deep).
    So, the PVA panel of Eizo S1910/L778 with 1000:1 contrast is a better choice for text-oriented applications.


    Avoid the new Samsung 970P because it's adjustable exclusively with the Windows-only MagicTune software.
    No OSD buttons... no Linux software...


    Greetings


    Thanks for the information :)
    The Eizo S1910 monitor seems to be very good :)


    Also thanks for the tip regarding the Samsung monitors, I did not know it :)

    I was thinking about the 19" TFT again today.


    Isn't 75Hz with VGA and 60Hz with DVI kinda little for a 19" TFT monitor ?


    I mean the same refresh rates are in 15" , 17" and 19" TFT monitors.


    Isn't that an issue for TFT screens ?? Because with so little refresh rate after a while they are getting tiring :(



    PS: Do Eizo have an autoconfigure button like the Samsung do ?

    2 Mal editiert, zuletzt von small_boy22 ()

    If you're living in a PAL area you might want to check out Viewsonic VP930, Fujitsu-Siemens P19-2 and Samsung 193P+.


    All of these offer 75Hz over DVI which is 3 x 25 frames/s (PAL), all of these are (P)MVA with Overdrive.

    We're all mad in here...

    Zitat

    Originally posted by tm101
    If you're living in a PAL area you might want to check out Viewsonic VP930, Fujitsu-Siemens P19-2 and Samsung 193P+.


    All of these offer 75Hz over DVI which is 3 x 25 frames/s (PAL), all of these are (P)MVA with Overdrive.


    Yes i do live in a PAL area. :)
    I want to get an Eizo monitor to tell you the truth mostly because I can find them with a zero pixel guarantee and they are also good :)


    Samsung offers 7 pixel guarantee so for that I won't buy a Samsung.


    I have to tell you thought that I like the proposition of the Fujitsu Siemens P19-2. --> 3xPAL with DVI is good i guess.
    It seems to be a nice monitor.
    I have read a review of a guy writing that S1910 is damn good monitor and does not tire him after working many hours with it.


    Unfortunatelly I cannot see a P19-2 in any of the stores in my country.
    But something also very importand to me is the pixel guarantee.
    Eizo offers 0 and i don't know how much FS offers.
    It's a pitty to give ~550 euro for a monitor and have dead pixels on it :)


    ---> If FS offers also zero pixel guarantee then I am in a big dilemma with FS 19-2 on the one side and Eizo S1910 on the other side.


    Sorry for too many guestions but I just want to get a nice 19" TFT monitor :)

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von small_boy22 ()

    Zitat

    Original von small_boy22
    Isn't that an issue for TFT screens ?? Because with so little refresh rate after a while they are getting tiring :(


    Hi!
    60 HZ is not an issue in TFTs. It cannot be compared to CRT monitors since TFT is a so called "sample and hold" type technology, meaning that each pixel keeps illuminating and is not being refreshed until the color or brightness value for this pixel has actually changed. Thus, there is no flickering and no eye strain as it is known with CRTs, - this would remain to be true even if the refresh rate was at 10 Hz (well, gaming and movies would be jerky, of course, but thats another story). CRTs, in contrast, work differently: they draw each picture x-times per second over and over again no matter if the content has changed or not, leading to a kind of constant strobe light disco effect" in front of oneself if the hz rate is too low.


    hope to have cleared things up on this a little.

    you have cleared things enough :)

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von small_boy22 ()

    I have some more questions regarding the Eizo S1910 model.


    There is an OSD menu named screen manager.
    From within this menu will I be able to change brightness and contrast .. etc.. and all the thing that I could change with the use of software screen manager pro ?


    The problem is that their software screen manager PRO runs only on Windows and I won't be running Windows.


    FS P19-2 has 8bit gamma correction whereas Eizo S1910 has 10bit gamma correction.
    10bit gamma correction == better colors right ?


    FS P19-2 is name at the specs as Plug n' Play .. eizo is Plug n' Play too i guess, right ? ?(


    Thanks in advance.

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von small_boy22 ()

    Zitat

    Originally posted by small_boy22
    I have some more questions regarding the Eizo S1910 model.
    There is an OSD menu named screen manager.
    From within this menu will I be able to change brightness and contrast .. etc.. and all the thing that I could change with the use of software screen manager pro ?


    Yes.

    Zitat


    FS P19-2 has 8bit gamma correction whereas Eizo S1910 has 10bit gamma correction.
    10bit gamma correction == better colors right ?


    Yes.

    Zitat


    FS P19-2 is name at the specs as Plug n' Play .. eizo is Plug n' Play too i guess, right ? ?(


    Yes. :)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by small_boy22
    I have to tell you thought that I like the proposition of the Fujitsu Siemens P19-2. [...]


    I have read a review of a guy writing that S1910 is damn good monitor [...]


    Have you also read our PRAD.de in-house reviews of both the P19-2 and the S1910?


    Here is a list of all our reviews

    Zitat

    Originally posted by tetsuo


    Have you also read our PRAD.de in-house reviews of both the P19-2 and the S1910?


    Here is a list of all our reviews


    I have check both those reviews..
    Seems that S1910 has the advantage ? Don't you agree ?

    yup,
    since you are saying you will be playing no games at all, the slight response time advantage of the P19-2 becomes irrelevant.The emphasis on color fidelity that you mentioned clearly directs the spotlight onto the S1910 with its 10 bit lookup table for this purpose. And the 70 Euros you would have to pay more for the S1910 don't make too much of a difference as well.

    Zitat

    Originally posted by tetsuo
    yup,
    since you are saying you will be playing no games at all, the slight response time advantage of the P19-2 becomes irrelevant.The emphasis on color fidelity that you mentioned clearly directs the spotlight onto the S1910 with its 10 bit lookup table for this purpose. And the 70 Euros you would have to pay more for the S1910 don't make too much of a difference as well.


    :]


    I have another question to make.
    The Eizo screen is good for what I want but do I need also a good graphics card ?


    And I mean that I would buy a card that can work in the screen resolution and the refresh rate that Eizo S1910 work but for that 10 bit lookup table do I need something specific from the graphics card to use it ?


    I am asking because since I am not playing games I want just to buy a graphics card that will work perfect with my screen and nothing more ;)

    no specific card needed. they are all capable of it.
    the only thing that is essential for great image quality would be DVI. Make sure your card has it.

    Zitat

    Originally posted by tetsuo
    no specific card needed. they are all capable of it.
    the only thing that is essential for great image quality would be DVI. Make sure your card has it.


    Thanks for all the help dude.
    You have been really helpful :)

    I got the S1910 and it's a very very good monitor.
    I bought an Ati X300 from a friend.
    The result it good.


    But if I buy a more expensive card (PCIe) like NVidia 6200 or 6600 or Ati X600XT should I expect to see something better ?


    Anyone has a suggestion in a NVidia 6200 vs Ati X300 for PCIe ?


    I am willing to get sell my X300 ang get an NVidia 6600 for better result :)


    And I will be using Linux

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von small_boy22 ()

    The Eizo only support 60hz via DVI though, while the P19-2 support 75hz, so refresh rate is higher for the P19-2 (75hz is also important for watching PAL video at 25 frames/s).

    We're all mad in here...

    Hi Smallboy!


    Congrats on your new monitor!
    moving to a 6600 won't make any difference image quality wise, since you, as you pointed out, play no games at all. The DVI signal transmits losslessly and the internal graphics chip on the x300 calculates colors and its corresponding bits and bytes entirely digtal anyway, so it's just as good as any other card with DVI
    .
    The only reasons I could possibly see for you to upgrade your graphics card would be TiVo functionality, in case you missed this in the X300.
    Or maybe if you found your card to be too slow for scrolling down large documents (PDFs or HTML/Flash) pages without things starting to get jerky. But I'd be surprised if a X300 turned out to be too slow for these tasks.
    Hmm dunno, what else ?
    Maybe HDTV hardware decoding?