This may sound very stupid as I speak from ignorance. If you buy a wide-gamut for reasons other than the wide gamut and it is calibrated with non-wide-gamut software would the over-saturation of some colours still occur? I say this as the over-saturation is attributed to the wide gamut, but that probably over-simplifies. The monitor I would like is wide-gamut but I don't use colour-managed softeware very often.
Eizo S2231W-E W.I.P. (Prad.de User)
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During my wide-gamut, fact-finding mission, I cam across these cool color test charts from Luminous Landscape.
So while I'm busy tryin' to figure out how best to make use of my wide-gamut S2231W, I can enjoy looking at one way-cool background
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Originally posted by traveller
I'm not sure that your question is directly related to the S2231W but anyways, don't buy a wide gamut monitor if you don't use color-aware applications as it will bring you absolutely no advantage.Worse, you will be unhappy with the over-saturated colors when browsing, watching a DVD (or TV), etc. Sure, you can compensate for the overly-saturated reds & greens, but then what's the point?
The problem is that there is not much 22" *VA monitors to chose from...
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You could take a 24" instead - but of course not for ~550€ (if you want the same quality).....
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It is correct that right now the only available 22" screen with S-PVA panel = Eizo S2231. End of April there will be a new (but more expensive) 22" Eizo.
After reading traveller's interesting comments about the disadvantages of wide gamut for "normal" users (internet, office, DVD) I truly wonder about the concept of the S2231. I mean the price, brillance and sharpness are very attractive. But then you have color shift issues, and the wide gamut also seems to be rather a disadvantage for the majority of "normal" users. Considering these points maybe both normal users and professionals might have issues with the S2231.
According to my info the Eizo S2431 doesn't have this color shift issue and also no wide gamut. The price of Y-shaped grey version (WH-GY) is also pretty attractive. The Eizo S2231 (22") is around €540-€550, the Eizo S2431WH-GY (24") is around €690-€700. My decision is clear: I am willing to pay more and I am excited to check out my new S2431 next week. (I already ordered it but unfortunately it cannot be sent in time before Easter holiday.) After I get it I will let you know how it compares to the S2231 (from my amateur point of view).
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Originally posted by TheScarface
You could take a 24" instead - but of course not for ~550€ (if you want the same quality).....That`s not an option.. 24" is a 1920x1200 minimum.. Therefore for comfortable home use you have to buy an almost equally priced videocard... or maybe even two..
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Originally posted by Chrisz
It is correct that right now the only available 22" screen with S-PVA panel = Eizo S2231.
"one and only" is a wrong word... Lenovo has L220x for example...Zitat
Originally posted by Chrisz
According to my info the Eizo S2431 doesn't have this color shift issue and also no wide gamut. The price of Y-shaped grey version (WH-GY) is also pretty attractive. The Eizo S2231 (22") is around €540-€550, the Eizo S2431WH-GY (24") is around €690-€700. My decision is clear: I am willing to pay more and I am excited to check out my new S2431 next week.Hmmm.. And why are you not look at NEC S-IPS then?
You could fulfil both your needs - to pay more and to get more quality..
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In his review of the Eizo S2231WE-BK, Andreas Roth writes:
"... However, if you wish to carry out tasks on your 22-inch monitor where colour is crucial, you would have to go for another screen size. 22-inch TN panel models are simply not suitable for this sort of work. ..."
I don't understand his point, perhaps because I don't know enouh of his perspective on this.
As an amateur photographer looking for a good quality monitor for photo work, I would rate colour as "very important", but not as "crucial". I use my PC for other general work as well as editing photos.
A 22 inch screen would seem to fit on my desk conveniently, but I might go up to 24inch.Would someone like to explain this point, please?
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Thanks for clarifying the situation here:
"...related to the S2231W ...don't buy a wide gamut monitor if you don't use color-aware applications as it will bring you absolutely no advantage"
"Worse, you will be unhappy with the over-saturated colors when browsing, watching a DVD (or TV), etc. Sure, you can compensate for the overly-saturated reds & greens, but then what's the point?"
You have me completely confused, although you may possibly have saved me £500+!!
Are you saying that the S2231w isn't a 'normal' monitor?
All I want is a monitor which doesn't change its dark points and light points depending how high I sit! Sheesh... in fact, all my clients use sRGB so i wouldn't even need aRGB.Would you recommend the S2231w for my (admittedly basic) needs?
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Thank you for taking the time to reply, Traveller.
I don' think I've ever agonised over the purchase of a piece of kit like I have over a new monitor. In the past few weeks I have familiarised myself with what originally seemed to be total nonsensical nerdo-jargon. I am now ogling every s-ips monitor I can find, and finding that, in the process, there aren't that many of them.
My horrendous LG monitor came highly recommended - from a gaming forum. When I originally purchased it, I had no idea there would be such huge variations in viewing angles and the like. Retouching on it, is a painful, head moving, back aching nightmare - yet as I agonise - I'm still using it.
At work I sue a Dell 1907fpv which as far as I can see is a pva panel, its ok, not great, but bests my LG TN with ease.
I'm looking for something, anything(!) at a small-ish size that's s-ips; I too have been suprised to find that many of the Eizos are pva.
Do you have any s-ips reccomendations?, I've narrowed my selection pretty much down to an NEC 1990sxi, but would be interested if you know of anything else, in that ball park.. or less£...
Thanks,
Jb
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Original von jb909
I'm looking for something, anything(!) at a small-ish size that's s-ips; I too have been suprised to find that many of the Eizos are pva.Do you have any s-ips reccomendations?
Hi, sorry but I didn't catch your post earlier. Assuming you're still in the market, NEC's MultiSync 20WGX²Pro is a very popular panel, particularly because it has an impressive reaction time for an IPS...!
However... it's a glossy panel... . Now I'm typing this post on my Dell XPS M1330 which uses a 13" Toshiba LED-backlit panel which also has a glossy finish and as long as you position it appropriately (in relation to the room's lighting), the glare is non-existant.
But that's about the only one I can think of in the price range... next up, the "ultimate" IPS will certainly be NEC's LCD2690WUXi, but that's in a completely different price range (as well as being a wide-gamut monitor like S2231W...).
Good luck in any event and plz let us know what you finally end up with
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Hello!
I want to buy a S2231W in Germany (because in Italy Eizos have awful prices) but in this forum I've found any sort of complaints.
- rainbow effect (horizontal color issue)
- X effect (backlight issue)
- boring noise (inverter issue)What's happening?
Wide-gamut lamps are all defective?
Or Eizo is starting to make monitors like AOC?
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Originally posted by miomao
...but in this forum I've found any sort of complaints...
- rainbow effect (horizontal color issue)
- X effect (backlight issue)
- boring noise (inverter issue)
Ciao,first off, I can't seem to buy anything today without it having one issue or another and so I can't say that my S2231W was any exception. Compared to my new XPS M1330 Notebook though, it's relatively problem-free :p
I'm not thrilled about my overly-bright "X" but the fact is that I can't see it when I have any kind of background that has at least 20% in any non-black color (which, you have to admit, should be about 99% of the time...).
As for color rendition, I'm absolutely thrilled with my S2231W and I have no rainbow effect (fortunately) and I am working (now) with proofing prints from an aRGB working color space, all of which is only possible with a wide-gamut monitor.
I haven't noticed any [inverter] noise meaning it's not audible (but I'm not 18 either...) so that's not an issue either.
I did discover something new, though: if you use a lite working desk (mine is an aluminum frame with a glass sheet) then any external vibration (such a printer on the same desk) will make the S2231W shake like one of those dogs you see in the back of a car...
I'm speaking of the ezyUp base and I don't know if the other base has the same problem (but I imagine it doesn't).
None the less, I don't regret my purchase and overall, I am very pleased with the S2231W! Please don't forget to factor in the price too, when making critical comments because simply put, ~550 EUR is quite below-par when it comes to pro monitors, particularly Eizos...
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Thanks for the answer.
So, I think there are only sporadic problems with the S2231W...Do you think the big brother S2431W is a more reliable choice?
There is near 150 Euro price difference.