Beiträge von traveller

  • Eizo S2231W-E W.I.P. (Prad.de User)

    As I noted in my OP, colors are vivid.


    To be more precise, the colors are fine (acutally, incredible's the word I'm looking for :D ) when viewing images in Photoshop.


    When viewing images & graphics in a standard Windows environment (i.e. Internet Explorer, Desktop, etc.), the colors are oddly vivid, most likely too vivid for some. As I stated in the OP, I'm not a color expert, but I dug this up over at Colorvision's website:



    "I just purchased a [insert you favorite wide color-gamut display-name here] display, considered wide gamut and the spyder 3 elite. I've used the spyder 3 to calibrate the monitor. In photoshop whenever I "Save for Web" or "Save as" in the sRGB color space, I wind up with over saturated oranges and reds. I'm needing to save in the sRGB for web work. My working color space is set to sRGB which looks fine when editting in photoshop, but as soon as I save it out of photoshop the reds and oranges are over saturated. I purchased the spyder 3 because of the wide gamut support, is there something I'm missing in calibration?


    The display profile is not at fault here. The ICC profile for the display tells any application that uses color management what the color values for the display are. Thus Photoshop, which is using the profile, corrects for the colors on screen, giving correct results. A non-color managed application (such as Internet Explorer for Windows) would not use the profile and thus the colors would be oversaturated on your wide gamut screen. This is not the fault of the profile (that would make the color look wrong in Photoshop, where the profile is being used), but the lack of a profile (which makes the color look wrong in non-color managed applications).


    This is the problem with using a Wide Gamut display for viewing in non-color managed applications. A typical gamut display is not color correct in such applications, but is at least approximately correct; a wide gamut display is noticably oversatured in some colors. On the Mac many applications, including web browsers and OS utilities, are color managed, so it is less of an issue than on Windows."




    Well, I couldn't have said it any better. The wide color-gamut is clearly a great feature for photo work (and that is the primary reason I and many others here chose the S2231W), but may hinder you in other areas, so please take this into consideration if you are interested in buying this or any other wide color-gamut Display... .

  • Eizo S2231W-E W.I.P. (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by TheScarface
    So everything is fine, isn't it? / ...but I would also need sunglasses...) :D


    Yes, I am keeping mine (Read: happy enough, if not absolutely ecstatic [verzükt]).


    rofl, you should try my 500 CD/M² BenQ FP241W... will save you money on a visit to the local Sun tanning studio / Solarium 8)

  • Kalibrierung

    Zitat

    Originally posted by Shoggy
    Dann lieber schon den Spyder.


    Hi,


    ich habe der Spyder2Express und es verlangt das man immer die Monitor Standardeinstellungen nutzut vor Kalibrierung.


    Das problem ist das meisten moderne LCD monitors sind sehr hell (zu hell) und der "Kalibrierung Prozess" aendert der helligkeit nicht. Fast alle LCDs haben 100% als Helligkeit's Standardeinstellungen... 8o


    Also, darf ich der helligkeit vorher aendern ohne das die Kalibrierung Werten falsch raus kommen...? Ubriegends, Spyder 2 "Express" ist sehr begrenzt und kalibriert nur mit fixed werte (6500K, 2.2 Gamma, etc): man kann, z.B., keine CD/M² als ziel eingaben.


    p.s. - sorry, my German's not the best, even with the help of my friend Leo... :tongue:

  • Eizo S2231WH-GY (Prad.de User)

    Und jetzt mit Andi's feedback:


    Bez..Michi...........Chris...........Andi1..........Andi2.........Trav
    Bez..CiTay
    S/N....20xxxxxx....22xxxxxx....22xxxxxx....23xxxxxx....25xxxxxx
    Mfd....071114......071121.......071121....071126.......071212
    Tag...Wed...........Wed............Wed............Mon............Wed
    KW....46...............47..............47...............48...............50Bh*...Rb...............Rb..............Ml...............Ml................XG


    *Besonderheiten:
    Rb = Rainbow effect
    XG = X-Glow[SIZE=7]TM[/SIZE]
    ML = Makellos / Einwandfrei / Rein / Unbeflect...



    Das heisst also... nicht besonders viel, gel... :P

  • ISPs, color shift and other questions

    Zitat

    Originally posted by Dani50
    The NEC website describes this as a H-IPS A-TW panel and your site as a AS-ISP panel. Could you first please explain what these terms mean.


    Hey,


    both of those designations mean relatively the same thing: "advanced" IPS technology with wider color gamut. I believe the names are proprietary and I don't think there's any real [quality] difference between the two.


    The LD2690WUXi was definately on my short list a while back but I needed a jack of all trades, leaning towards digital imaging work, but still capable of casual gaming or DVD viewing, etc.


    I think I've accomplished that with my S2231W but considering your very specific needs, the LD2690 should certainly be at the very, very top of your list :D


    With all due respect to the keen PRAD members and staff that are doing their best to support their English forums too, you will have all the info you need, good and bad, over at [H]ard|Forum and their excellent LD2690WUXi thread.


    Good luck and let us know what you end up going for :)

  • Eizo S2231WH-GY (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by Chrisz
    ...ob ich auf den neuen 22" Eizo Ende April warten soll oder so schnell wie möglich den 24" (S2431) bestelle.


    Zwichen mein XPS M1330 und mein, eh, X-Glow[SIZE=7]TM[/SIZE] S2231W, schlage ich vor das Du vermeidest was "ganz neues"... also kaufe der 2431 jetzt od. wartet mindenstens sechs monte vor Du kaufst (wieder) enein ganz neues panel.


    But my money's on the S2431 'cause after having had the S2231W in front of you for a while now, there's no way in hell you're going to manage a six-nine month wait, lol :D

  • Eizo S2231WH-GY (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by Chrisz
    bei mir war es glaube ich auch ENC1918


    Danke, macht sinn: ENC = Eizo Nanao Corporation und naehme ich an das 1918 ist einfach ein internal product-designation number.


    Zitat

    Originally posted by Chrisz
    Ich habe jetzt aufgegeben und schaue wieder in mein 19"-Röhren-Bullauge...


    I feel your pain! You are not alone! We are here for you! Put that bottle of Jameson back in the closet, you can manage without it ... ;)


    I'm sure you will be happy in the end with your decision because €550+ is no small amount to pay for something that you're not completely satisfied with! I was also looking at the Eizo S24xxW monitor(s) a while back but as I already have a 24" I couldn't justify the price.


    But "believe you me", 24" is not too big and you wil easily get used to the extra real estate real quick like :D

  • Eizo S2231W-E W.I.P. (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by TheScarface
    The colors never varied more than 1 from each other...


    Yes, looks great! Thanks for the tip, btw, I'll have to try that out on my sample image too!


    Zitat

    Originally posted by TheScarface
    I've got a very subtle X in dark pictures, but no way comparable with traveller's "Super-X".


    Well I'm sure that mine is above average, but again, don't forget you're looking at a 3.2" exposure with a fast lens ( f2.8 ). I wanted to show the shape of the "X": in "realtime" and at 60% brightness (which is still almost too bright at night with normal room lighting) I don't see the X at all - not even in the corners, when looking at a black background :)

  • Eizo S2231WH-GY (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by rolandb
    den einen pixelfehler kann ich aber eizo nicht verzeihen.


    "woisa", dein boses pixel? Ich habe es nicht gefunden auf der bild...


    Zitat

    Originally posted by rolandb
    das unterschiedliche panels im umlauf sind, wäre ja von samsung nichts neues.


    Das dieses panel ist noch nicht mal beim Samsung Monitors verfugebar, finde ich schwer su glauben das es gibts schon z.B. CMO panels auch.


    Das wegen habe ich den andere Jungs gefragt fuer the HW ID wiel vieleicht da mit kann man ein unterschied sehen.


    I guess with Samsung's famous 226BW, the models were diffferentiated with suffixes, such as "S", "A" & "C" for Sammy, AUO & CMO respectively. But the Eizo "part numbers" do not have such a suffix (...unless you want to call "7SQ" a panel ID...). I also checked the label on the shipping carton and noted "0FTD1080 AS" as p/n... ?(


    Conspiracy theories aside, I think all LCD panels will have slightly different characteristics: seems to be the nature of the beast. I wasn't happy about my S2231W's X-Glow[SIZE=7]TM[/SIZE] (lol) but then I compared it to my Beijing-Olympic-smog-like BenQ FP241W (see comparison pics here), I realized that chances are, we'll never see a perfect panel...

  • Eizo S2231WE-BK (Prad.de)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by alphacma
    ...Davon hatten 4 Pixelfehler (2 1931, 2 2231), 3 1931 eine zufriedenstellende, 3 2231 eine mangelhafte Ausleuchtung...


    Selbstverstaendlich, gibt's kein grund es muss ein Eizo sein und nach sechs versuch(en), wurde ich auch was anderes ueberlegen. Aber bitte, nicht vergessen...


    every rose has its thorn


    (...sad, but particularly now a days, oh-so true...)

  • Eizo S2231WE-BK (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by Andi
    Wer tatsächlich nur mit sRGB arbeiten will, der braucht keinen Monitor mit erweitertem Farbraum.


    Na ja, in a Utopian world, wurde ein "Schalter" geben wo man best of both worlds haben konten... :D


    Seriously, Why can't I surf / watch DVDs in sRGB and work with my photos in Photoshop in AdobeRGB (& 16-bit)! Actually, working with a wide color-gamut with Office or surfing the 'net poses no problems (imho), but what's your opinion when watching DVDs (or any other kind of video) where, for example, skin tones are much too saturated, etc.?

  • Eizo S2231WE-BK (Prad.de User)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by CiTay
    Bei einem Monitor mit gleichmäßigem Gamma gibt es nur einen Wert, wo das über das ganze Bild passiert, hier nicht.


    Hast Du schon ein grosses (22"+) Widescreen LCD mit VA Technology (P-MVA, S-PVA, etc.) gehabt od. davon gelesen das hat keinen, "off-axis" Gamma shift...?


    Wenn ja, bitte einen hyperlink oder Monitor namen, danke.


    p.s. I also ran the PerPixAn Gamma test, on both my S2231W and BenQ FP241W: you can see pics of both in my English thread Eizo S2231W-E W.I.P :)