ZitatOriginally posted by Tiefflieger
Ich habe mich mit dem Gerät zwar nicht intensiv beschäftigt, traue mir aber schon zu, nach kurzem Überblick ein solches Urteil zu fällen.
Hast Du vor ein bissen mehr zeit mit "this little fella" zu verbringen und vieleicht ein bisschen mehr uber deine meinung zu mitteilen mit uns?
I hope sure so 
ZitatOriginally posted by ChutrielRuach
Könntest du vielleicht ein Foto von deinem Eizo S2231, der eine weiße Fläche darstellt hier mal rein posten.
Look at this attachment that he posted in this thread for starters... (there's enough "white" in there for you to formulate an opinion) 
ZitatOriginally posted by alphacma
DAS kannten sie übrigens bei Eizo...
Na, mindenstens schon was... 
But anyhow, I'm sorry to hear it - versuchs Du ein andere Eizo (21.3", 24",...) od. muss es 22" sein?
ZitatOriginally posted by michido
S/N: 2074XXXX 2007.11.14. Made in Japan
Danke-danke 
Aber leider, bringt uns nicht weiter:
Own.........Michi.............Chris............Trav
S/N...........20xxxxxx......22xxxxxx......25xxxxxx
Mfd...........071114........071121.........071212
Day..........Wed.............Wed..............Wed
CW...........46................47.................50
(I guess they only "manufacture" on Wednesdays... lol)
michi & Chris: Although I don't suspect it will be different, please retrieve one last detail, if you would be so kind:
Control panel -> Device (Geraete) Manager -> Monitor -> HW (Device) ID.
Mine's ENC1918.
Thanks
ZitatOriginally posted by alphacma
Wie ein anderer User kommt mir die Helligkeit aber zu hoch vor.
Yep, that was me & thanks for posting the image
ZitatOriginally posted by alphacma
Bei Eizo kennen sie das Problem angeblich nicht.
Schwer zu glauben, gel 
Ob wohl gibts tatsaechlich manche proben ohne the damned X (and only the corners are... "bewoelkt" ).
Ubrigends, ich habe mein Hellikeit auf 60% abgesenkt (weil es war sowieso zu hell fuer meine Augen), wieder kalibriert und jetzt ist Super-X beim schwarzes Hintergrund nicht mehr so schlim - sogar, fast unsichtbar =)
If that's really the only problem you are having with your unit, I would highly recommend that you try lowering the brightness before you ship the model back... .
ZitatOriginally posted by yehuda
some colors are way off when you're working in sRGB display mode ... fear that if I get the S2231W colors could seem outright unnatural and untrue,
Although the question's rather straight forward, the answer isn't. Since the monitor is a wide color gamut, it produces colors beyond the range of sRGB and the immediate effect is a saturation in color, particularly in the reds and greens (imo).
This saturation makes landscapes, organic subjects, etc. look vivid, which, again imo, a good thing. On the other hand, skin tones tend to look a bit off: I don't notice this so much in still photos but more over in video (DVD) playback and TV too. Why this is beats me.
Be aware though that many of the S2231W owners posting in the German section of the forum are not thrilled by this vivdness and are manually adjusting the saturation and even lowering the red by a few percent, etc.
Finally, I'm happy with my purchase, despite the monitor not being perfect or perfectly suited for every task. Considering the price, I would say it's a very good monitor and unless your prepared to spend considerably more, I suspect you won't find anything better for the price!
Btw, I wrote down a few notes from my own (short) experience with my S2231W and took a few shots too, if your'e interested!
p.s. Considering the author of the official PRAD review bought two for his own use, I'd say they can't be all that bad...
ZitatOriginally posted by michido
but the "X-factor" is still on the mild side... Surprisingly the "color shifting" again shows
Michael,
thanks for taking the time to do another shot
I agree that you still have better X-factor conditions as me and as for the coloration, I find that hard to believe... . I'm more inclined to believe that your camera's sensor may have gotten "confused" under the circumstances. That pic looks like my own when I saturate it (via photoshop)... what kind of camera, if I may ask?
Good news is that I don't notice my X anymore now that I've lowered brightness from 100 to 60%. It's still there, of course, but I don't "see" it unless I really conentrate on a corner (with a black background).
ZitatOriginally posted by michido
Your Eizo panel seems to be a different one.
Wow... that's quite a difference! I find it hard to believe though, that we're working with "different" panels, considering it's the very first 22" S-PVA panel on the market, made by Samsung (at least that's what PRAD said).
My guess is that this being a new series of panel, Samsung's still working towards perfecting the panel's mass-prodution process and we are getting the first bunch of problematic panels...
...maybe.
Btw, at what aperature (blende) and shutter speed (?) did you use for the photo above? What brightness level do you have your monitor set to? I took mine at 3.2" at f2.8 and the monitor's brightness is currnetly set to 100%. I'm going to recalibrate it now at a lower setting (~60%) and see if it doesn't reduce the X-Factor a little
In the end, when I compare the images of my S2231W to my FP241W which was also taken at 3.2" & f2.8, they both have the same level of "cloudiness" so I'm not going to swap out the panel just for that and risk a color shift and/or pixel-failure-plagued substitute.
I bought a Dell XPS M1330 Notebook last September and have heard countless stories on the net about owners replacing their units one, two three - even four times. I'm not about to go through that with the monitor...
ZitatOriginally posted by Andi
Also man kalibriert nicht auf einen Farbraum sondern auf Werte. 6500K, Gamma 2.2 git sowohl für AdobeRGB und sRGB. Der Helligkeitswert von 140 cd/m² gilt in der Regel für eine normale Umgebungsbeleuchtung.
Hi,
ich habe ein sehr einfaches Calibration Tool, naemlich Spyder 2 Express und der verlangt das ich alles auf "Monitor's default values" lassen und das spricht 100% brightness fuer der S2231W. Nach calibration, ist aber der monitor immer noch zu hell. Darf ich der brightness trotz Spyder's emphaelung, bei, z.B., 54% einstellen?
Last but not least, Ich nahame an es ist korrect su sagen das der S2231W hat beide Brightness & Contrast controls, und nicht nur ein "backlight" setting, gel?
Oh, and yes, sorry for butchering your language... :-o
ZitatOriginally posted by alphacma
Monitor 3: Keine Pixelfehler, schlechte Ausleuchtung (sehr helles X)
Hello,
wie hell ist hell? Bitte schau hier - ich habe bilder von mein SuperX und wurde gerne bilder von dein SupaX auch sehen
p.s. that's right, my German sucks, sorry 'bout that :o
ZitatOriginally posted by michido
S/N: 2074XXXX / Made in Japan
ServusGrussDi aus Wien
Danke sehr (& an Chrisz auch) fuer den info
Kannst Du vieleicht auch the Mfd. "notieren", bittedanke.
ZitatOriginally posted by traveller
Aber sicher, kann ich ein Foto machen!
Ok, getan, aber auf Englisch weil ich hätte es nie geschaft auf Deutsch... :p
cu you there 
ZitatOriginally posted by Chrisz
very nice review! =)
Thx, you're much too kind :]
As per your request (in your German review), I took a few pics last night, but it turned out to be harder than I imagined...
I have a very sharp lens and it can focus right on the glass pane of the monitor, but then you immediately see a moire pattern. This pattern is then made even worse by the camera's digital sensor. In any case, the final product has either very bad moire and/or green+white "stripes" and/or I went a bit "out of focus" with the lens to try to minimize this moire....
The fact is I took the pics at night in a totaly dark environment and maybe I should try to take them in daylight instead...
But in the meantime, I've taken comparative photos of both my S2231W and FP241W, so that any coloration (Farbtisch, richtig?) from the camera can be ruled out. Any "green+white" striping you see in the photos must be ignored as this is not visible in real life!!!
Furthermore, I long-exposed the black backgrounds of both monitors to show a comparison of the type of light-casting each panel produces. Of course they are not that visible in normal conditions and not visible at all once I've got some non-black image covering roughly 25% of the screen.
So, assuming the attachments attach (I can't preview them), I have paired images for both the S2231W and FP241W:
Black Background
White Background
Word Processing
PerPixAn Gamma Test
White Background @100% saturation
Text Quality*
*Using Nokia Ntest, I cropped the center text (although all corners are just as sharp, but I doubt my camera lens can boast the same, lol) and what you see is a 100% crop of the original image. KEep in mind that the S2231W has a native resolution of 1680x1050 and the FP241W 1920x1200 so of course they look different, but you can still decide if you like the sharpness of the text. As usual, please ignore the moire effects and color (I converted it to greyscale anyways).
Each image is prefixed with the appropriate monitor name and all images. If I manage to get better pics, I'll post them. Any suggestions from Photographers would be very welcome
FYI (mostly for other S2231W owners...), my unit's id info:
p/n: 0FTD1080 7SQ
Mfd. 2007.12.12
s/n: 25255xxx
Japan
Vendor: DiTech Wien (AT)
Monitor HW ID (from Device Manager): ENC1918
I've posted the above mainly due to some concerns that certain units may be affected by this X-lighting more than others.
Conversely, I've been informed that some units are experiencing a color shift from one side of the panel to the other (for example, a pure white background may appear slightly cool (blue) on one side and slightly warm (red) on the other). Here's an example of this problem taken from this (German) thread.
This is not the case with my panel and hence why I've made no mention of it in my W.I.P. above.
ZitatOriginally posted by Chrisz
Kannst Du bitte ein Foto machen? * Word oder OpenOffice-Dokument ohne Text
Hi Chris (& Danke :))
Aber sicher, kann ich ein Foto machen! Ubriegends, wieso ist Dir lieber ein Foto von Word statt ein ganz weisses Schirm (i.e. with Nokia Ntest's Color Test)...?
ZitatOriginally posted by michido
Bilde ich mir eigentlich ein, das die User die über das berühmte "X" klagen, kein Problem mit dem "colour shifting" beim Weißbild haben b.z.w. umgekehrt auch nicht?
Ah... finally, I understand what you lads mean by this color shift problem...!
Also, nein, habe ich keine problem mit color-shfiting beim heller hintergrund. Ich habe der Nokia Ntest (latest version) benutzt (using the 'Color Test', which alternates background colors from white, to green, red & blue) und mit der weiss "hintergrund" kein "coloration" gesehen.
Secondly, ich habe auch dieses gamma test von PerPixAn ausprobiert (F1 test, wie beim Chrisz's image on p.1 of this thread) und die gamma unterscheid zwichen mitte und seiten ist sichtbar aber kaum. Die rechte seite is genau so schlim (od. nicht so schlim) wie der linke.
Ich aber erwarte das von ein "VA" panel... euch etwa nicht?
Ich werde probieren ein screenshot von der PerPixAn gamma test su machen. Ubriegends, ich schaffe dieses test uberhaupt nicht mit mein "calibrated" BenQ FP241W, weil der "squares" wird trotz meine beste versuch immer noch sichtbar (but evenly over the entire surface of this 24" M-PVA)... .
Last but certainly not least, my unit's id info:
p/n: 0FTD1080 7SQ
Mfd. 2007.12.12
s/n: 25255xxx
Japan
Vendor: DiTech Wien (AT)
Monitor HW ID (from Device Manager): ENC1918
Not that this is going to prove anything, but maybe they had a batch of color-shift-sensitive panels and a batch of SuperX panels...
p.s. Und ja, also sorry fuer mein schreckliches behandlung von eure Sprache aber versuchen muss ich, mindestens... 
CU on the PRAD English forums!
Hi,
I think it's safe to say that Andi Roth's excellent review of the Eizo S2231W-E pretty much says it all so it would be pointless to write up any kind of semi-formal review as it would pale in comparison!
So, I just thought I'd add my 2 cents on Eizo's S2231W-E (the "-E" is for the EzyUp base) and thought I'd share my first impressions with the possibility of follow-ups (hence, the 'Work In Progress' part of the thread's title ;))
Secondly, there is almost always more chatter on the 'net in German when it comes to Eizos (aside from maybe Japanese) so a bit of extra chatter in English can't hurt
First and foremost, Eizo's build quality is very impressive. I say this as I compare it to a BenQ FP241W which mans my other [private] workstation and a Belinea 1980 S1 at the office. I also have an XPS M1330 which has a Toshiba LED-backlit 13" TN panel.
This is not to say that I'm an LCD expert (because I'm definately not :P) but that I do have a few LCD monitors to compare the Eizo to and the Eizo, in terms of build (housing, ergonomics, etc.) is just amazing!
Design-wise, it's got a simple, solid, matte-black frame and that's the way I personally like it. I can live with my BenQ's and Belinea's black w/silver bezel combos but that's about as far as I care to venture. Some of today's monitors, with their piano-black finishes and funky-looking bases (which are almost always all but useless) just make me squirm. Of course, that's just mho and everyone's entitled to their own taste and preferences.
The inlayed control buttons are also a plus, although in a darkend room are hard to "read". I also personally like the blue-orange power LED but for those hardcore experts, it's definately a bonus that it can be turned off. Ditto for the [ambient] brightness sensor which comes deactivated as default. The last thing I need are mickey-mouse speakers on a monitor but if you're going to include them, then making them unobtrusive like Eizo's done is as good as it gets
If you own / have owned an Eizo, then I guess this is all old hat, but for those of you wondering if an Eizo monitor is worth the extra bills (compared to more mainstream brands) then my personal reply to you is a resounding yesss!
...did I mention the five-year "pick-up" warranty (er, at least in my neck of the woods, that being Western EU)... ?
Functionally and ergonomically speaking: Andi's covered it all and thanks to Siobhan Hayes, it's all available in English too so I feel it's pointless to add to their expert review :p
As for the star of the show, this all-so-special 22" 1680x1050 S-PVA panel... well it sure as heck impressed me some But mho and personal observations are strictly subjective and so Andi's technical observations covers all the bases.
As this is my first PVA panel, I can't offer you any direct comparison, so I "won't go there". Compared to my TN and MVA panels (both my BenQ FP241W and Belinea 1980 S1 use MVAs), all I can say is that black is beautiful
As for this so-called sparkle, I really can't say that I notice it. If you stick your face 10cm in front of any panel, I'm, sure it will look odd, so don't. Again, my first S-PVA, so I can't tell you if this phenomena is more or less apparent than any other S-PVA.
What I can tell you is that the blacks are amazing compared to both my MVA panels as well as my TN (although the TN's a glossy finish, which artificially improves the blacks somewhat). Furthermore, I agree 100% with Andi and a whole lot of other experts on the net who agree that 500 CD/M² is just too bright. Despite countless attempts to calibrate my FP241W at diverse brightness levels, it still hurts to look at it in dimmer environments, literally. The S2231W does not have this problem and after calibration seems to have just the right level of brightness!*
*Again, this is my subjective impression - sort of like the tale of Goldilocks and the three monitors: the FP241W's too bright! The 1980 S1's too dark! But that them there S2231W is just right :D)
As for this horizontal, color/ gamma- shifting characteristic of all S-PVA panels: I personally didn't find the S-PVA panel to "shift" much more than my MVA panel does. I not only do not own an IPS panel, but I've never-ever seen one, so I have no idea what a non-color-shifitng panel looks like, lol! I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm used to it and it doesn't bother me anymore. YMMV.
What's been harder to swallow in my personal transition from CRT to LCD is not so much the color shifitng as is the weak blacks and backlighting bleed issues. I bought the FP241W primarily for my entertainment needs (60% Video & TV playback, 40% gaming) and that's the reason why I went with an MVA panel. But, and it's a biiig "but", the murky blacks are really annoying and I'm reminded of that fact every time I've got a 16:9 movie playing on the 16:10 panel and the letterboxing's a definitive shade of grey... .
This is where the S-PVA panel excels, without a doubt! But... (there always has to be a but, hasn't there... ) the Eizo's backlighting concept is, in a word, baffling! Now this is where I think Andi was a little too kind in his description:
"Although slight clouding is evident in the corners, there are no disturbing light patches visible at the edges that would be caused by the backlight."
Well, maybe this effect changes from one unit to the next, but mine's pretty bright. Having forgotten Andi's comment on it I thought I had a bad unit but having re-read his comment as well as a few German-speaking Forum members' reviews, it is apparent that this is standard. As a matter of fact, this member's* picture of this, ah, X MARKS THE SPOT says it all... 
Yes, it does bother me, because I've always gone with simple, black desktop-backgrounds and at least one of the corners is always reminding me of Eizo's "baffling" backlighting concept... And it's definately NOT the first time Eizo's been criticized for their unique back-lighting designs...! In all fairness, this phantom X is not visible in normal working conditions where at least 33% of the screen's illuminated by an open Window or image, etc. Just use something other than a black background (or image of the Aug. '99 Total Solar Eclipse... ;))
*He wrote up a nice review (albiet "Auf Deutsch";) with a few more nice pics here.
Moving along, ahem, we have color. Most people interested in such a caliber of monitor are those that require a notch above average color (& gamma) fidelity. Well, I do a lot of amateur photography and this is the main reason why I bought the Eizo, but I am a long ways away from being a color expert and so it is really hard for me to make any beneficial comments to those serious photographers & graphics artists out there. But it doesn't matter 'cause Andi pretty much wrapped up my own subjective observation with this excerpt:
"When the monitor is calibrated, the white point and gamma value are optimal. Although the deltaE deviations can be reduced, they do not represent an ideal for the sRGB colour space. However, this is not uncommon in monitors with extended colour spaces: WideColorGamut displays have their problems as a result of their larger colour spaces."
Like I said earlier, I'm not a pro when it comes to color matching, etc. but I none the less strive to get the best out of the monitor with my limited means (in terms of knowledge and tools) and I did this by using a Spyder 2 Express which is limited to calibrating for an sRGB color space with a gamma of 2.2. I ended calibrating twice because the first time the whites were way too warm and on the second run, it came closer to my "idea" of true white. Still, when compared to my FP241W which was just adjacent, the colors from the S2231W appeared extremely "vivid", for lack of a better word, if not overly warm. As this wide color-gamut monitor is another first for me, I think I will need a little time to get used to the vividness of it all...
Last but not least, what does it really mean that a display can reproduce 90% of the AdobeRGB color gamut? Is this good enough to consider the monitor suitable for AdobeRGB color work or did it just missed the mark and instead, provides for a vivid rendition of the sRGB colorspace? If AdobeRGB represents approx. 93% of the NTSC colorspace, then what's 90% of 93%?
As for that last question, just kidding
In a nutshell
If you've made it so far, thanks for bearing with me and my ramblings In a nutshell, my only complaint is that of this X-Factor backlighting business. Aside from that, this is one hell of a monitor, as long as you factor in the price (i.e. this is not a professional color-guru monitor but you won't have to shell out €/$ 2,000 for it either).
It doesn't make sense to compare it to any other 22" monitor on the market today - if you want to compare it with something, then you're better off comparing it to one of the semi-pro 20-21" wide monitors (from Eizo, NEC and Samsung, for example). The great news is that the 22" format not only offers a little more real estate (or relief for your eyes, depending on resolution vs. sq. meter) than existing 20-21" monitors, but, more often than not, for a better price, too!
I would classify the S2231W as a jack of all trades with a bias towards digital imaging / graphics work. It's not a gamer's TN and it's not a professional designer's IPS, but, imho, a little of both
p.s. And to think, I almost forgot to mention the icing on the cake: MADE IN JAPAN!
ZitatOriginally posted by michido
Ich habe allerdings die Helligkeit bei 72% und da ist für mich wirklich alles O.K.!
Eventuell gibt es hierbei doch gewisse Serienstreuungen, da unterschiedlich sind.
72%... ok, das wird sicherlich ein unterschied machen. Ich habe so gemacht:
Mode = Custom, brightness = 100%, Contrast = 50% (defaults)
Calibration with Spyder 2 Express (sRGB, 2.2 gamma, 6500K).
Aber es stimt das trotz "calibration" wurde es mir lieber ein bissen weniger hell...
Danke jedenfals fuer den info
ZitatOriginally posted by boltzmann
b Ausleuchtung:
Wie schon auf dem Bild gezeigt, kann man an den Ecken bei dunklem Raum + dunkles Bild Ansätze eines „X“ entdecken. Dies sieht man aber wirklich nur, wenn diese beiden Bedingungen erfüllt sind.
Looks like this is the case with all of them... ich bin aber nicht besonders glucklich daruber... 
