Which 19" LCD do u reconn?

  • Hi all,


    I am buying my first LCD monitor. Now I have an AOC 19" CRT so I would like something better. I mean I was going on 17" LCD and will go, but maybe there is one or two bigger that I can afford.


    I live in Croatia so I don't have ViewSonic, and the prices (mostly) are higher then on Prad.de.


    I was thinking on watching divx/dvd and playing all kinds of games on it.


    17" LCD - I was leaning towards Samsung 740B it's about 260 euros here
    19" LCD - I thought maybe 940B (but it's too expensive) or something else?
    maybe BenQ 91G+ or maybe (out of my league a bit but maybe able to squezee it in) 91GP with MVA matrix?


    so please comment, suggest...


    thank you
    SasaK.

  • Hi,
    In case you're not a hardcore gamer of first person shooters, VA type panels (+Overdrive) are probably going to serve your needs a lot better, particularly since you mentioned DVD/movies.


    My aproach would be to look up all the monitors that are available in your country, shortlist the ones that have MVA or PVA panels with Overdrive (recognizable by 8ms response time) and then go by price/ availability / (maybe addtional features?) to pick one of the remaining.

  • I would recommend the benQ FP91GP. It has a MVA panel with overdrive and will give you a much better picture quality than the cheap monitors with TN panel.


    The price in germany for this monitor is around 300 Euro. I don't know if you can get it for a similar price.

  • the thing about the whole TN vs. VA issue is that, by going for a TN monitor, you will sacrifice a lot image quality for getting only a little more speed in return.


    Zitat

    how's the black colour?


    poor black level is one of the weaknesses of TN panels.

  • is there any other LCD with MVA matrix for around 300 euros? (remember I don't have ViewSonic here)


    btw I meant black colour on MVA based monitors like 91GP... and what do u think I should go for 940B or BEnQ 91G+? for movies and games

  • Zitat

    btw I meant black colour on MVA based monitors like 91GP


    Well, reversing the perspective from TN to MVA: the same quality gap remains: VA panels generally have a huge advantage in terms of black level. However, there are factors such as backlight etc. that can even set MVA panels apart from each other in this regard.


    Overdrive-accelerated MVA/PVA displays in this price range:


    Acer Office Line AL1923s
    Xerox XA7-19i "8ms version" (avoid other versions)
    Belinea 101915 (111921)
    FP91GP


    tip:
    On the other hand, in case you are going for a TN display in the end, try to get your hands on the 940BW (widescreen) instead of the 940B (4:3), since it will not only suit your movie needs better but is also cheaper at 269 Euro (german price) while at the same time being faster at 4ms.

  • Zitat

    and what do u think I should go for 940B or BEnQ 91G+? for movies and games


    You'll be able to enjoy games and movies on these monitors, too. No doubt.
    But you know how the saying goes: "better is the enemy of good"

  • tetsuo, sorry I don't know that saying, what does it mean? which is a better LCD monitor?


    I just looked for 940bw but no hits, apparently Croatia doesn't have them...


    btw u say Xerox? what about the glass on them? heard that it makes colours look bad.

  • Zitat

    Originally posted by eXecutioner28
    tetsuo, sorry I don't know that saying, what does it mean?


    It simply means that the moment something "better" comes along, the thing which previously had been considered to be "good" will suddenly seem inferior although it hasn't actually changed in quality.
    you know, why settle for something good "enough" when you can have something better?


    Zitat

    btw u say Xerox? what about the glass on them? heard that it makes colours look bad


    some say so, others claim the opposite. probably a matter of taste. some find colors to be more 'crisp' on the Xerox and attribute this to colors being polarized when they pass through the glass pane.
    Reflections can be annoying though. So it depends on your setup at home too (postion of your desk relative to the window).

  • Do you have Philips brand?


    In Italy (football world champions :D) they start selling the 19'' 190P7 (MVA+overdrive) and first purchasers are very satisfied.
    The price here is 330-400 Euro.

  • here you go... these are the three biggest PC shops in Coatia.






    Coatian money - 1 euro is 7,2 HRK (100 euro is 720 HRK) And I am up to 300 euros or 2300 HRK limit.

  • hmm, for prices below 2300 the shops you've listed offer TN panels only.


    I don't know about this shop but since it is linked to from the official Acer Eastern Euope Website, it seems reasonably trustworthy.
    It has the Xerox XA7-19i 8ms within your price range. The only problem I see with this monitor is that supposedly there are versions with TN panel and VA panel available while both bear the exact same model name ?(. So you'd have to call and have them confirmed to you that what you are buying will definitely be the VA panel version.
    Other than that... hmmm, maybe you can find some international LCD monitor seller on ebay?

  • Dell 1907FP (review will be up soon)
    Shuttle XP17 TempAG V2 (review will be up soon)
    VX922
    AMW M199D
    Among what we have reviewed so far, the color reproduction of the four models above shows some improvements over previous generations of TN panel monitors.


    Maybe you can find the 8ms version of the "AOC LM929" which supposedly has an MVA panel, too (not sure though). In Germany it retails for 220 Euros only, making it the cheapest 19 inch monitor to feature 8ms, 800:1, and DVI.


    TN panels pretty much dominate the LCD market with their low production costs, so it's hard to say anything about the vast amount of different TN monitors models out there as only a handful of them will ever show up in reviews.


    Perhaps the new TN panel monitors by LG might be worth looking into
    They promise high (artificially produced) contrast ratios above 1000 and wide viewing angles of up to 170 (5:1). Although there might have been some improvements, it is still more marketing than it is anything of a serious competition to VA panels.


    L1950B, DVI - 700:1 - 8ms 170°/170°
    L1940PQ, DVI - 700:1 - 4ms 170°/170°
    L1932P, DVI - 700:1 - 4ms 170°/170°
    L1970HQ, DVI - 2000:1 - 4ms 160°/160°



    Similarly, there are some new TN models by Philips
    190B7...
    190S7...


    For what it's worth, contrast and viewing angle specifications are increasingly turning into PR fairy tales in the same way response times have been all along. I can't wait till a new ISO standard puts an end to this.
    It's like somebody in the marketing department suddenly went: "Hey guys, fooling customers with false response times hasn't been that hard, right? Let's do the same with angles and contrast! You know, people will totally go along with it!" - whole office cheering: "Yeaah! Great idea! Give him a raise!"


    anyway, I'm ranting...


    good luck