Gaming screen on at least 18" (englisch)

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    Hello my fellow geeks :))


    First of all I hope it's ok that I write in english. I haven't spoken german for many years. But what I have been told, is that this site/forum is the place to be concerning LCD screens.


    I would really like to buy a larger LCD screen -normal use + gaming i.e cs - BF1942 -Unreal, but its a jungle out there and it's not easy to find the information I would like to find and I have so many questions. Here goes:


    1. So the best LCD screens offered today are form NEC and LG because they use the better IPS/S-IPS panels?


    2. An LCD screen with 16ms responsetime isn't necessarily a better "gaming" screen than a 25-30ms screen with a better panel i.e 25ms IPS/S-IPS vs. 16ms MVA/PVA?


    3. I would have liked to buy the LG Flatron LCD 2010P, but I have read that this screen isn't very good in games eventhough its 16ms responstime. Too bad. Then what?
    Which models would you suggest in these size classes? Price/value taken in mind.
    18" - 19" - 20"


    But is there a 20" LCD screen on the marked that can be used for gaming? I don't think that I have read about screens any bigger than 18" that would be acceptable in games i.e the NEC LCD1880SX? I must admit that I have looked at the Samsung SyncMaster 240T 24" because I might be able to buy this screen for the same price as the nec LCD1880SX/LG Flatron LCD 2010P i.e 13000dkr ~ 1700euro and 24" would be soo nice, but I think it is horrible in games?


    Thanks -Søren Hegner, Denmark.


    p.s Feel free to reply in german if you like to.

    Hello Søren!


    1. Especially the S-IPS panel in the NEC 1880SX is one of the fastest panels currently on the market.
    You can find LG Philips panels in their own LG monitors and in SONY monitors like the P82/X82.


    2. That's because response time values refer to contrast changes from black to white and to black again. It doesn't help much to have a panel with a fast black/white response time and a long intra gray scale response time (e.g. changing from one dark gray color to black). MVA/PVA panels have fast black/white response time but need more time for "difficult" color compared to IPS panels. One can say that IPS panels are the best performers currently.


    3. NEC 1880SX as a top range product and his little brother the NEC 1860NX


    Yes, there is a very fine and fast 20" display on the market - the NEC 2080UX. It uses a slightly faster panel than the 1880SX and allows state of the art gaming performance.

    The Samsung 240T has got a Samsung bulit PVA panel. According Jetson's explanation this screen seems to be not much suitable for 3D shooter games.
    But I could imagine, that you will further not get another chance to buy a 24" TFT monitor for this money - it is a present. :)


    Looking to other panel sizes:
    All 19" panel have got up to now MVA- or PVA-panels. They have got also restricted abilities for fast games.
    The best choice are S-IPS-models like the called NEC types 1880SX/2080UX. Also the Sony X202, Sharp LL-T2020H ans Iiyama AU5131DT contain an IPS-Panel. One of the best computer magazines in germay c't found, that the fastest 20" TFT-monitor is the Eye-Q-50 SII, but at other aspects this model has got "only" average performance.

    Zitat

    Original von Weideblitz
    All 19" panel have got up to now MVA- or PVA-panels. They have got also restricted abilities for fast games.


    The 19" Iiyama AU4831D uses a Hitachi S-IPS panel with 1600 x 1200 resolution. It's the only 19" monitor i know without a MVA/PVA panel. Unfortunately we have no user reviews of that monitor.

    I must disagree; I have the 240T since 6 months an don´t have any problems with gaming at all.
    But of course an IPS Panel ist faster, that is not the question.
    I enjoy playing BF 1942 or other 3D Shooter with this panel. The only real problem is that my GF 4 Ti4400 is too slow for actual games in 1920x1200@32bit with full details.
    If you want ab big screen with good picture quality (1920x1200 via DVI is possible) the 240T is right for you; maybe you have a possibility to take a look at it before?
    I changed from a good Sony 24" CRT and play games quite often but I rued it no second.
    But one important point: This is my subjective view and I can´t talk for anybody else so the choice is up to you (yes there is some ghosting).
    1700 EUR is an unbelievable good price, I payed about twice this amount, so I wouldn´t wait a second ;-).
    But you will need a fast 3D card; a GF FX 5900 Ultra would be the right choice because I´ve heard of ATI that there are problems with resolutions >1600x1200 via DVI; and the difference is like night and day in this resolution (analog vs. DVI).


    Denis

    Gruß


    Denis

    3 Mal editiert, zuletzt von Sailor Moon ()

    Hello again


    I am at work right now, but will study your replys later on -thanks :)


    I have recieved some new information and would like to run it through you guys.


    I have read that the Dell 2000FP uses the same panel -and have the same specs, as the NEC 2080UX. If that is true then the Dell would be a great buy since it is much cheaper than the NEC. The Dell is only 1500euro. Is this true??

    That might be true, but that is not the price in Denmark :( And I dont think I will buy a screen outside denmark. I haven't yet found the 2080UX in denmark, but I would guess that it would cost more than the LCD1880SX which is about 1700euro. 2500+ euro in denmark is probably not far from the actually price.

    If the 1880SX really costs that much in Denmark, why don't you buy it somewhere else? For that money you can buy another one in case it breaks down.

    Well I guess I could, but I can buy hardware with a 25% "discount" -I can advoid some of the tax and then the price gets a bit better. So back to my question:


    Does the Dell 2000FP use the same panel -and have the same specs, as the NEC 2080UX? I read this in a danish newsgroup/forum and I think that they got the info from this forum.


    Anyone got a link to a good german onlinesite that sells NEC screens?

    Zitat

    Original von ledderlappan
    Does the Dell 2000FP use the same panel -and have the same specs, as the NEC 2080UX? I read this in a danish newsgroup/forum and I think that they got the info from this forum.


    I can't remember, that the information about the same used panel inside the FP2000 and the 2080UX has been come from here.
    If you compare the technical details, I am not sure, that both uses really the same panel. The view angle of the 2080UX is greater than of the 2000FP (h/v 176° <-> h/v 160°) and the luminance output is a little bit different ( 240 cd/m² <-> 250 cd/m²).

    I read that this model is manufactured by BenQ (Acer). It also has similar specifications to the BenQ FP2081.

    I have been looking at the 240t again ... just because its 50% off right now (1600euro) and the best connection for at TFT screen is the DVI connection right? If I choose the DVI connection on this monitor I will only be able to run at 1280*1024 which seems very low. I could imagen that everything would look very big. With the analog connection it can run up to 1920*1200 but with the analog connection the picture dosent get as good?
    A comment on the resulution would be nice.
    Dahm I must say that choosing a new TFT screen is very hard! ;)


    Update: I think I have discarted this screen. Because of the wider aspekt i think that I will most properly get problems when i.e playing games in 1600*1200 since the aspekt ration will not fit perfectly.

    Hello,


    As I said, I´m able to run 1920x1200 via DVI.
    Normally you would need a Dual Link DVI Interface to run 1920x1200@60 Hz. The 240T and my graphic card only have a single link DVI Interface but I´ve managed to use the native resolution, although I can´t promise you that it will also work for you (but with a nVidia GF4/FX card it should work).
    On Screen Display says something about 52Hz which could be an explanation because it reduces bandwith; but although I have no problems with ghosting effects an IPS Panel certainly is a bit faster.
    I had bad luck with the first 240T which had a lot of little white dots (no pixel- or subpixelfailure), two real pixel failures (that was not the problem) and a piece of dust which was behind (!) the panel.
    After reapair it seemed that they replaced the panel with an older one (no good quality) so I returned it.
    The second 240T had a problem with 1920x1200 via DVI (some kind of jittering, I can´t really explain it very good, I could upload a little video) which could be repaired :) so that I´m now very content with the 240T; but it was a long way to go for me (about 6 months - Samsung Germany (better: Teleplan) only seems to have one 240T for the time of repair).


    Hope that I haven´t shocked you, but in fact I really "love" the display.
    You mentioned the difference in quality between 1920x1200 analog vs. DVI: Yes it´s a big difference and I´m glad that it is possible to use this resolution with my nVidia card and the 240T; as I said it *should* also work for you, but I can´t guarantee this.


    Denis

    Gruß


    Denis

    4 Mal editiert, zuletzt von Sailor Moon ()

    According to tftshop.net the LG 2010P uses an s-ips panel. That is wrong right? I mean .. s-ips panel with 16ms responsetime .... I would think that this would make it great in games, but alot of the reviews I have read said that it wasn't that good in games.


    This screen was actually my first choise until I read that it wasn't that good in games.
    Oh ja ... and it's cheaper in Denmark than in Germany ... don't know why since all other screens are much cheaper in Germany.

    Well right here:
    Lgenordic


    It clearly says 16ms, but I have also read a couple of places that claims 25ms. Dammit :)


    I have also been looking at the Samsung 213t, but I don't know what to think of it besides the design is very nice. I would love to buy the NEC 2080UX but cannot find a danish dealer and im not convinced that I would be satisfied with a smaller 18" display as with the 1880sx.

    I thought that the 240t would be discontinuet -and that was why it can be bought with a 50% discount right now, but it seems that the 240t has been updated at couple of times and will now come out in a 3 version. So i guess that it is the 2 version we can get at a 50% discount.
    240t