Beiträge von miomao

    According to Philips brochure only 170B7, 170P7 and 190B7 have the "perfect panel" warranty.


    The 16,7M colors spec is no more indicative.
    The Samsung 970P (LTM190E4) is declared 16,7M colors and it use funny old dithering method.
    I seen it with my eyes.


    The AUO panel in the 190P7 probably use temporal dithering.
    You can found some evidences about it on the web.


    This is not a bad thing and it's fully understandable, because there are panels for office/generic use.

    The S1910 is one of the 19'' office monitors best suited for graphic application... but this don't means it's a "graphic monitor".
    This means that it's ideal for office work and also good for semi-pro graphic.


    If you want a wider viewing angle and avoid color dithering a S-PVA or S-IPS is a better choice.

    Maybe there are not enough public informations to build your own MVA/PVA panel, but you can found a little something on the web.


    There is a way to know if PVA implementation is similar to MVA.
    In this case Samsung must pay patent license to Fujitsu.
    Big firms takes every excuse to unleash their lawyers.
    ;)

    Sorry but I think you are making a bit of confusion... ?(


    P-MVA and S-PVA are not equivalent technologies.


    Premium-MVA (P-MVA) has a four domain pixel structure like "plain" PVA (not Super).
    Super-PVA (S-PVA) has an eight domain pixel structure and the correspondent MVA version is the very recent Advanced-MVA (AMVA).
    Read the AU Optronics news:


    You are right... Fujitsu-Siemens says the P19-2 has S-PVA panel.
    But this is simply unbelievable considering that the smaller S-PVA panel under production is 20 inch size.
    I don't see anywhere a different 19 inch PVA panel rather than LTM190E4.


    If you want a 19'' panel good for graphic work I think a LG.Philips S-IPS is a better choice:
    BenQ FP91R
    Nec LCD1990FX
    Nec LCD1990SXi
    LaCie 319


    ...or the expensive SA-TFT Nec panel:
    Eizo L797
    Eizo CG19

    Your are right about dithering, but Super-PVA is a whole different matter.
    The S-PVA panels have an eight domain pixel structure versus the four domain of the classical PVA.
    This article can be useful:


    Your Samsung's specification prove that 970P is a simple "a-si TFT/PVA".
    a-si = "amorphous silicon" not "a super incredible" PVA.
    :D


    I don't want to say that S-PVA can't have dithering because its nature...
    I said that "usually" Samsung don't use dithering with S-PVA panels.


    However maybe we are saying the same things.
    My english skill is not very good. :)

    The Samsung 970P is not S-PVA. 8o
    I'm sure because I've a 970P and the viewing angle is not its strong point. :)


    The LTM190E4 panel is the only 19 inch PVA under production.



    P.S.
    I don't want to say mistakes...
    970P viewing angle is very good but not like S-PVA.
    For example compare the 770P and 215TW photos.

    Zitat

    Originally posted by beerak
    So gutaber mit dithering ?


    Warum ? Panel von AUO hat 16.77 Mio


    ???


    I think the english translation is:
    "What the f**k! they write 16,7M colors and use dithering!?"


    The answer is... YES!
    :)


    Samsung LTM190E4 officially have 16,7M colors...


    ...and use spatial dithering.


    In some review I've read that the rival Premium-MVA panel by AUO use temporal dithering.
    Maybe this is not correct but I don't have any difficulty to believe it.


    I think a very good question is:
    "Which is the better approach: temporal or spatial dithering?"


    Using some logic, I believe that spatial dithering has more limitations.

    I don't know... ?(
    Initially they said that LCD-TV with BFI will have high refresh rate.
    100Hz for NTSC and 120Hz for PAL.


    The recent LCD seems already to suffer of video lags.

    The BenQ FP241WZ will be the first LCD to use the BFI technique (Black Frame Insertion).
    This also means that the normal FP241W don't use the BFI, like some news seems to say.

    In the same italian forum someone (ehm :)) explain the reason why the panel is more probably a Premium MVA by AUO.


    Look the "M190EG01 V0" datasheet:


    The official number of colors is 16,7M but probably it uses temporal dithering.
    The direct rival Samsung PVA panel uses spatial dithering.

    Do you have Philips brand?


    In Italy (football world champions :D) they start selling the 19'' 190P7 (MVA+overdrive) and first purchasers are very satisfied.
    The price here is 330-400 Euro.

    According to news the 971P will be released in Europe this month (July).


    Probably it will be the contrast champion but I don't like so much the design.
    Many people have had problems with 970P base arm and this seems to be still more delicate.
    Without to speak about the software-only controls...


    I hope it have a good street price at 400 Euro or less.
    :)



    P.S.
    Obviously may be that 971P base is even more solid.
    I have seen only the photos.

    The korean site have a SyncMasterMagic CX913P review.
    Look as the asian equivalent of our SyncMaster 971P.


    Machine translated version:

    (don't use combo-box to change page or you will lose translation)


    Max measured contrast is 1451:1 (if I have understand). 8o
    Don't confuse with many 1600:1, 2000:1, ... dynamic contrasts obtained with image processing techniques.


    Ok, translation is horrible but at least you can look the images...
    ;)

    Zitat

    Originally posted by rinaldo
    Then you haven't seen the LG Eclipse Design yet :D


    8o
    I understand why this design is named "eclipse".
    Because LG will go bankrupt with these monitors... ;)



    Samsung SyncMasterMagic CX913P (alias SyncMaster 971P) review is on the way.

    There is already an old thread on that monitor.
    190P7 has 8ms gray-to-gray response time and this means it adopts overdrive.


    This is not properly a review but a chinese presentation.
    (don't use combo-box to navigate the article or you will lose translation)


    It seems to have a very good price/performance ratio.